“AI” and education…

[Gradine]

"AI", such as it is, has been around for years (decades, really) and has a lot of really important and positive uses, and as we develop it, I'm sure it will ultimately work out to be a net positive for society.

The problem is that "Generative AI Tools", such as they are, currently operate almost entirely off of outright theft and misinformation, to say nothing of the devastating environmental impacts of running said plagiarism-and-lies-machines, and nobody who is operating or shilling these tools seems to be all that concerned about any of that. They would rather scream about luddites and shove their head in the sand than address these very real concerns, which isn't really doing anything to assuage anyone's doubts. And so instead of being this exciting new frontier of technology, like say VR, it instead looks and feels like yet another techbro grift, like crypto and NFTs.

And it doesn't have to be like this. Like... train your tools on open source materials and make sure you have rigorous fact checkers routinely checking outputs and you're most of the way there. But they aren't doing that. For reasons.

 

[trappedslider]

Regarding environmental impact which quickly runs into whataboutism, I have yet to see any response beyond "then don't do it"

 

[Gradine]

Regarding environmental impact which quickly runs into whataboutism, I have yet to see any response beyond "then don't do it"

I'm not sure that there's a ton to be done about it, really, at least not until we start transitioning to more sustainable forms of energy (and, more importantly in this particular use case, cooling). That said, I'm not opposed to "then don't do it" when "it" is almost exclusively theft and misinformation. Burning through a river to power plagiarism and lies feels a heck of a lot worse than doing it for something that actually materially benefits mankind.

It could have used a lot more time in the oven to resolve these issues before making it roll out so ubiquitously, is the point.

 

[trappedslider]

Humans have always put the cart before the horse in regards to tech.

 

[bloodtide]

Does it count if someone only read the magic item chapter of the DMG and skips the other chapters because they think they know it? Asking for a friend.

I'm sure they don't count RPG items as "books".

 

[BookTenTiger]

I'm sure they don't count RPG items as "books".

Just want to reiterate that people do read books after high school.

75% of American adults read at least one book a year, a number that has apparently not changed since 2011.

 

[overgeeked]

Just want to reiterate that people do read books after high school.

And here I am wanting to be sure I at least hit last year's benchmark of 40 books.

 

[trappedslider]

Found a recent updated document that goes through each argument and counters them

https://ai-doc-writer.github.io/ai_guide/

 

[UngainlyTitan]

Holy Pavlovian responses!

When I look at the OP, I see an image of (presumably a screen shot or put together from a number of screenshots of some social media platform with shortform posts.) Not a link to the posts and they relate a story.
There is no way to verify the story.
We do not know what the search expression that was entered to "Chat GBT" nor do we really know if it really was Chat GBT or some other search or Ai tool being carelessly referenced as Chat GBT.

What the post prompted me to do was post the expression "Origins of Greek" into MS Edge's search box using Bing as the search engine and I got the usual page of links including to the Wikipedia article. I then clicked on the Co-Pilot button to see what that AI tool would return and it returned a reasonable summary, in quotes below.

The Greek language traces its roots back to the 3rd millennium BC in the Balkan Peninsula, making it one of the oldest languages with a continuous history of written and spoken use. The earliest recorded form is Mycenaean Greek, written in the Linear B script, dating back to between 1450 and 1350 BC.

From there, the language evolved through phases like Ancient Greek, Koine Greek (the lingua franca during the Hellenistic and Roman periods), Medieval Greek, and Modern Greek. Each period added layers to the language, influenced by historical, social, and cultural changes.

Greek culture is deeply intertwined with its language's evolution. Would you like to explore a specific period or a particular aspect of Greek?

AI may be a problem, particularly in education but search tools do not, necessarily return the truth but the results that were popular. Something we need to pay more attention to, personally I think that regular search has been deteriorating in recent years.

 

[Mind of tempest]

"AI", such as it is, has been around for years (decades, really) and has a lot of really important and positive uses, and as we develop it, I'm sure it will ultimately work out to be a net positive for society.

The problem is that "Generative AI Tools", such as they are, currently operate almost entirely off of outright theft and misinformation, to say nothing of the devastating environmental impacts of running said plagiarism-and-lies-machines, and nobody who is operating or shilling these tools seems to be all that concerned about any of that. They would rather scream about luddites and shove their head in the sand than address these very real concerns, which isn't really doing anything to assuage anyone's doubts. And so instead of being this exciting new frontier of technology, like say VR, it instead looks and feels like yet another techbro grift, like crypto and NFTs.

And it doesn't have to be like this. Like... train your tools on open source materials and make sure you have rigorous fact checkers routinely checking outputs and you're most of the way there. But they aren't doing that. For reasons.

the fact they can't seem to make a version that just says It does not know the answer is a deep problem, it having no sense of what reality is is equally a problem as it can't be trusted to know anything.

it has no place in education as what we are training is the human, not some brainless bot.

Holy Pavlovian responses!

When I look at the OP, I see an image of (presumably a screen shot or put together from a number of screenshots of some social media platform with shortform posts.) Not a link to the posts and they relate a story.
There is no way to verify the story.
We do not know what the search expression that was entered to "Chat GBT" nor do we really know if it really was Chat GBT or some other search or Ai tool being carelessly referenced as Chat GBT.

What the post prompted me to do was post the expression "Origins of Greek" into MS Edge's search box using Bing as the search engine and I got the usual page of links including to the Wikipedia article. I then clicked on the Co-Pilot button to see what that AI tool would return and it returned a reasonable summary, in quotes below.


AI may be a problem, particularly in education but search tools do not, necessarily return the truth but the results that were popular. Something we need to pay more attention to, personally I think that regular search has been deteriorating in recent years.

Welcome to the force of capitalism that says if you can't make more money make your product cheaper by making it worse, I hate this timeline.