“Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free.”

[tomBitonti]

For people who understand those words, they acknowledge that some small number of people can change their minds. For the most part, people don't, though. Not when they have enough hate to radicalize. It generally takes some intensive therapy and a desire to change for that much hate to go away.

Eh, are people born hateful, or do their lives mold them to be hateful? If a person can be influenced to become more hateful, can they not also be influenced to be less?

Also, I am looking at folks who have not yet become hateful. Are their no people who have scope still to be influenced?

Thx!
TomB

 

[Homicidal_Squirrel]

All Republicans are conservatives, but not all conservatives are Republicans. I am conservative and I am for helping the poor and needy. Don't lump me in with Republicans. I am not now, never have been, and never will be a Republican. They are as useless as the Democrats (not liberals). Both parties need to go away as they are both cause great and equal damage to this country, just in different ways.

Oh Maxy, that' some funny stuff right there. You want to help people... except for the Syrian refugees, immigrants coming to the U.S., poor people in the U.S. that need more access to healthcare and safety-net programs, teachers who are having their pay and jobs cut, families that would like to send their kids to university, people on Welfare, the elderly getting Social Security, and pretty much everyone else that is actually needy. If we didn't know each other for as long as we have, and I hadn't seen all the wonderful posts you've posted over the year, or read the posts you've made in this thread, I may have thought you were being serious. I know you well enough, though. Thanks for the laugh.

 

[Maxperson]

Eh, are people born hateful, or do their lives mold them to be hateful? If a person can be influenced to become more hateful, can they not also be influenced to be less?

Those lives are molded early. By mid teens, they are pretty set in their ways. There's not much influence you can have at that point unless they want to be influenced. Therapy really only helps those who already want to be helped.

Also, I am looking at folks who have not yet become hateful. Are their no people who have scope still to be influenced?

Perhaps the children of refugees who come, but there's really no way to know if they are helped by coming here or not. Most people in that region are not radicalized anyway. Radicals are a small minority of muslims.

 

[Maxperson]

Oh Maxy, that' some funny stuff right there. You want to help people... except for the Syrian refugees, immigrants coming to the U.S., poor people in the U.S. that need more access to healthcare and safety-net programs, teachers who are having their pay and jobs cut, families that would like to send their kids to university, people on Welfare, the elderly getting Social Security, and pretty much everyone else that is actually needy. If we didn't know each other for as long as we have, and I hadn't seen all the wonderful posts you've posted over the year, or read the posts you've made in this thread, I may have thought you were being serious. I know you well enough, though. Thanks for the laugh.

I have always been for helping them. I'm just not for handing out money indefinitely with nothing to show for it. Help them out and at the same time pay for and require that they learn a useful skill so that they can transition into being a productive member of society.

 

[Homicidal_Squirrel]

I have always been for helping them. I'm just not for handing out money indefinitely with nothing to show for it. Help them out and at the same time pay for and require that they learn a useful skill so that they can transition into being a productive member of society.

So tell me,, what program do you support for helping those in need? What would you do to help people?

 

[Maxperson]

So tell me,, what program do you support for helping those in need? What would you do to help people?

You need to be more specific. What kind of need? There are different kinds of needy people.

 

[Homicidal_Squirrel]

You need to be more specific. What kind of need? There are different kinds of needy people.

Let's go with homelessness. You seem to like to bring that one up. If you'd like, you can just focus on homeless veterans since they're more American.

 

[Maxperson]

Let's go with homelessness. You seem to like to bring that one up. If you'd like, you can just focus on homeless veterans since they're more American.

Which type of homeless veteran? There are different types. Bad luck homeless veterans? Crazy homeless veterans? Disabled homeless veterans? Other?

 

[Homicidal_Squirrel]

Which type of homeless veteran? There are different types. Bad luck homeless veterans? Crazy homeless veterans? Disabled homeless veterans? Other?

Your choice. In fact, any other questions about what group, or what criteria a particular group needs to meet for this discussion is up to you. Jus let us know what parameters you've chosen to identify the group you are willing to help.

 

[Orlax]

I have always been for helping them. I'm just not for handing out money indefinitely with nothing to show for it. Help them out and at the same time pay for and require that they learn a useful skill so that they can transition into being a productive member of society.

The thing to show for it is a living human being where a twisted and starved corpse would be. How that isn't enough to anyone makes no freaking sense to me