D&D General 2024 Monster Creation

[Micah Sweet]

Well for fifth edition they barely did, didn't they?

If this was 2000 era WOTC, 5E would be on it third revision and have dozens of player option books.

More's the pity.

 

[dave2008]

Good news! The Tales of the Valorent Game Master Guide has robust monster creation rules! You can go use that if gor your monster creation needs!

I do wonder how accurate they are though. I know their early books often had CR errors.

 

[dave2008]

Level Up also has solid monster creation rules in the Monstrous Menagerie.

It has been a long time since I looked at them, but I don't remember being overly impressed. At the time I definitely preferred the 2014 DMG rules. However, I have not made any monsters with the A5e monster making guidelines and I have made hundreds with the 2014 DMG guidelines.

 

[Minigiant]

It has been a long time since I looked at them, but I don't remember being overly impressed. At the time I definitely preferred the 2014 DMG rules. However, I have not made any monsters with the A5e monster making guidelines and I have made hundreds with the 2014 DMG guidelines.

The ig issue is under the scrutiny of the entire D&D community, you will get people complaining that the A5e rules don't create a High AC/Low Damage monster or High Damage/Low HP monster.

And thus need a CR chart for each combination of stats.

Basically you'd need a CR chart for each of the 4e Monster roles plus some.

1. A CR chart for Archers
2. A CR chart for Brutes
3. A CR chart for Buffers
4. A CR chart for Casters
5. A CR chart for Controllers
6. A CR chart for Elites
7. A CR chart for Healers
8. A CR chart for Lurkers
9. A CR chart for Minions
10. A CR chart for Skirmishers
11. A CR chart for Solo Legendary Monsters
12. A CR chart for Soldiers
13. A CR chart for Tanks

And before you say "That's ridiculous. You don't need a dozen charts"... that's the only way nobody's gonna make a thread or video complaining.

 

[MichaelSomething]

The ig issue is under the scrutiny of the entire D&D community, you will get people complaining that the A5e rules don't create a High AC/Low Damage monster or High Damage/Low HP monster.

And thus need a CR chart for each combination of stats.

Basically you'd need a CR chart for each of the 4e Monster roles plus some.

1. A CR chart for Archers
2. A CR chart for Brutes
3. A CR chart for Buffers
4. A CR chart for Casters
5. A CR chart for Controllers
6. A CR chart for Elites
7. A CR chart for Healers
8. A CR chart for Lurkers
9. A CR chart for Minions
10. A CR chart for Skirmishers
11. A CR chart for Solo Legendary Monsters
12. A CR chart for Soldiers
13. A CR chart for Tanks

And before you say "That's ridiculous. You don't need a dozen charts"... that's the only way nobody's gonna make a thread or video complaining.

I bet the D&D community would have no problem paying $50 for 399 pages of monster creation charts/tools/abilities/etc.

 

[Minigiant]

I bet the D&D community would have no problem paying $50 for 399 pages of monster creation charts/tools/abilities/etc.

Sure.

But that's a whole extra book.
Not the DMG.
Itis a whole new book.

 

[Paul Farquhar]

The ig issue is under the scrutiny of the entire D&D community, you will get people complaining that the A5e rules don't create a High AC/Low Damage monster or High Damage/Low HP monster.

And thus need a CR chart for each combination of stats.

Basically you'd need a CR chart for each of the 4e Monster roles plus some.

1. A CR chart for Archers
2. A CR chart for Brutes
3. A CR chart for Buffers
4. A CR chart for Casters
5. A CR chart for Controllers
6. A CR chart for Elites
7. A CR chart for Healers
8. A CR chart for Lurkers
9. A CR chart for Minions
10. A CR chart for Skirmishers
11. A CR chart for Solo Legendary Monsters
12. A CR chart for Soldiers
13. A CR chart for Tanks

And before you say "That's ridiculous. You don't need a dozen charts"... that's the only way nobody's gonna make a thread or video complaining.

There is nothing anyone can do that will stop people complaining. But you are right, there are far too many situational variables for a single table to be particularly meaningful.

 

[Minigiant]

There is nothing anyone can do that will stop people complaining. But you are right, there are far too many situational variables for a single table to be particularly meaningful.

My point is that if they just reprinted the 2014 monster creation table with corrected math, half the people complaining about its absence now would be instead complaining about how boring it is AND have the data to mock them in blog posts and YouTube videos.

Better off not giving people the ammo.

 

[Micah Sweet]

My point is that if they just reprinted the 2014 monster creation table with corrected math, half the people complaining about its absence now would be instead complaining about how boring it is AND have the data to mock them in blog posts and YouTube videos.

Better off not giving people the ammo.

Again, this is an argument against publishing rules of any sort. And then where would WotC's poor shareholders be?

 

[Minigiant]

Again, this is an argument against publishing rules of any sort. And then where would WotC's poor shareholders be?

Aain the argument is that there are things that the customer base is asking for that they would hate if they're given it.

The D&D community is the poster child of a fandom that clamors for things then hates those things when TSR or WOTC sell it to them. Usually it's details.

See 3e, 4e, and 5e.

Detailed Monster Creation rules would increase the cost of the DMG or require another book. And the community would call WOTC greedy for it.