D&D 5E 20th level Sorcerer vs the world

[Zio_the_dark]

"Visual [sic] evidence" isn't the only kind of perceptible. An Arcane Trickster using their invisible Mage Hand to, say, tap someone on the shoulder to give themself advantage on an attack, is generating a perceptible effect in the absence of visible evidence.

Psychic damage is damage--it says so, right on the tin--and damage is perceptible.

They don't know where you are--I don't think there's been any dispute about that--but they know something is hurting them, and they absolutely get to act, and rolling Initiative determines the order in which their actions and yours happen.

He acknowledged initiative was rolled I don't even understand why He's still discussing this...

 

[fearsomepirate]

You cant roll arcana check

The creature that has been hurt certainly can.

 

[Zio_the_dark]

Damage?? Damage is perceptible
Sure, initiative is rolled.

The DM didn't call initiative.

He already aknowledged that

 

[Hohige]

He acknowledged initiative was rolled I don't even understand why He's still discussing this...

If The Sorcerer casts Stealth casting or not, subtle Dominate person.
Its totally imperceptible.
How I love Subtle spell.

 

[fearsomepirate]

He acknowledged initiative was rolled I don't even understand why He's still discussing this...

Well, that was really some progress. We'll soon get him to admit you notice when you've taken psychic damage.

 

[prabe]

The creature that has been hurt certainly can.

Even in the absence of knowing exactly what spell it was, it's not unreasonable for an intelligent creature to figure there's a spell (or a spell attack, which doesn't have to be a spell, because 5E) and start looking for what's doing it. Sitting there until the psychic damage kills them--that seems unreasonably stupid to me.

 

[Hohige]

Well, that was really some progress. We'll soon get him to admit you notice when you've taken psychic damage.

Im not totally sure about that..
What is visible on psychic damage?
Lets discuss about It.

 

[Zio_the_dark]

Even in the absence of knowing exactly what spell it was, it's not unreasonable for an intelligent creature to figure there's a spell (or a spell attack, which doesn't have to be a spell, because 5E) and start looking for what's doing it. Sitting there until the psychic damage kills them--that seems unreasonably stupid to me.

Stupid like @Hohige's virtual DM

 

[prabe]

If The Sorcerer casts Stealth casting or not, subtle Dominate person.
Its totally imperceptible.
How I love Subtle spell.

Well, the person you're dominating arguably knows they're not in control of their own actions. That's not imperceptible. And their actions are likely out of character, which means they're perceptible to those around them.

 

[Oofta]

I already did It.

Find on book (perceiving caster at work) or this thread.

You mean this?

Perceiving a Caster at Work​

Many spells create obvious effects: explosions of fire, walls of ice, teleportation, and the like. Other spells, such as charm person, display no visible, audible, or otherwise perceptible sign of their effects, and could easily go unnoticed by someone unaffected by them.​

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You seem to be ignoring those last 5 words.