3E & 4E Love and Hate Polls - What does it mean?

[Sonny]

But but but, how else will I know who to divide into that nebulous "them" group?



Actually, though I haven't played or even read it, isn't Basic Fantasy supposed to grab that 2e spirit? There you go!

I didn't know that! I gotta go check that out, thanks. Honestly, it really is a good time to be a D&D player in general.

 

[Sonny]

No, it's a B/X clone.

Doh! Still, I like B/X too. Thanks for clearing that up.

 

[Dice4Hire]

Heh. A thread about poll results from other threads. Hilarious.

Well, we have a poll up now about poll results from other threads. I think that one will put this one to shame.

 

[Snoweel]

I'd take it to mean that most 4e players were at one time 3e players, but the reverse is not so.

True.

I voted that I love 4e and I like 3e.

But just because I like 3e doesn't mean I don't hope it dies a painful death. Its continued existence is fracturing the hobby.

I'm sure fans of 3e feel the same way about 4e which is why so many of them voted that they hate it.

 

[Snoweel]

less likely to be dungeon baser types and more likely to be roleplyaer types..

Do you really think these are the two ends of the one and only continuum?

I'm neither a fan of dungeons nor of RP-heavy games.

I mostly love the problem-solving aspect of the game (mystery, intrigue) and while I like combat I don't want it taking place in a dungeon.

4e suits my play style perfectly.

 

[avin]

I think these kind of edition polls start with the intention of proving somebody's edition of choice is better than other. And then, as usual, the debate starts and get hot until some moderator closes it...

 

[Mustrum_Ridcully]

Heh. A thread about poll results from other threads. Hilarious.

It would be better if it was a poll about the two polls.

 

[avin]

I mostly love the problem-solving aspect of the game (mystery, intrigue) and while I like combat I don't want it taking place in a dungeon.

This is interesting. My perception is the opposite, the fewer skills on 4E don't help the mystery/intrigue part of the game (to be honest, this feels to work better on WoD or Gurps) and our 4E games are more combat focused that our former 3E ones.

Even things such as a Profession: Cooking helped to create more suspension disbelief and the illusion than on 4E and we have to improvise a lot with fewer skills, trying to avoid the "I know cooking, I am the grandmaster cook of the universe" thingy.

Don't get me wrong, 4E can work the way you describe and this is the way we play our fourth edition games, but, in our experience, 3E worked better for that kind of game.

 

[Snoweel]

I think these kind of edition polls start with the intention of proving somebody's edition of choice is better than other.

Totally.

Hence the couple of guys still trying to assert that the differences between the two polls mean anything objective.

As has already been pointed out, more meaningful is the statistic showing differences in participation between the two polls.

Or the massive difference between edition representation on Obsidian Portal.

 

[Snoweel]

This is interesting. My perception is the opposite, the fewer skills on 4E don't help the mystery/intrigue part of the game

Two words: skill challenges.

And ultimately, the non-combat mechanical aspect of the characters only affects information collection - the analysis belongs to the players.

The fewer skills suit my taste for fast-and-loose adjudication, as well as being easier to prepare skill challenges for.

(to be honest, this feels to work better on WoD or Gurps)

Maybe so but WoD or GURPS combat? YUCK!

and our 4E games are more combat focused that our former 3E ones.

Possibly because combat is fun in 4e? As a DM I found many combats painful to run in 3e (and I'm sure I don't need to go into 3.x precombat prep work for a DM). A lot of the time I went to lengths to avoid combat when I DMed 3e, especially if it was one I hadn't prepared for.

And I don't really understand the anti-combat snobbery around here. Why is my game inferior if I like to see my PCs get into fights? Over half the rules for every edition to date have been for running combat.