D&D 4E 4E Cosmology & Yougoloths

[Glyfair]

I believe the daemons* won't be touched initially. With demons and devils we have plenty of evil outsiders in the MM to start things off. Once things get moving there is plenty of time to place them somewhere in the 4E cosmology (which also seems to have plenty of room) later.

* Why aren't there more cries about this change in D&D cosmology with all the complaints from some D&D grognards about many changes over the years?

 

[frankthedm]

Most of the Daemons will get absorbed by the demon camp just because of their appearances. The Arcanaloth could be tied into the Glabrazu some how, possibly even combining the two, with the huge Glabrezu being the Crinos / Warform.

and I bet the piscoloth and Hydroloth will team up with the Hezrou. Though I have a hard time picturing them not merging the Hydroloth with the Hezrou.

 

[hong]

What's stupid about them? Inevitables are something like furies, creatures that exist to punish transgression of universal cosmic law. Modrons are a race of clockwork beings that operate as though their entire society were clockwork too. Formians are the Borg. They invade, subjugate, and organize. All of these seem like interesting concepts without invoking D&D alignment.

Ants and bugeyed clockwork bots lack teh gravitas, you know?

 

[Kunimatyu]

I think there's still a great role for the yugoloths, namely, as fiendish mercenaries and ancient caretakers of evil lore. Demons are all about the destruction, devils are all about your soul, and yugoloths just care if you pay the asking price.

 

[Pale]

Yeah, what's wrong with having more than two flavors of evil?

Hell, I hope that they invent 2 more factions, myself.

 

[Baby Samurai]

I think it might break down as:


-Devils (humanoid, corrupting, weapon wielding, suave fiends)

-Demons (elemental, primal, beastly, claw your ass fiends)

-Yugoloths (proto-insectoid, demonic fiends)

 

[Lonely Tylenol]

Ants and bugeyed clockwork bots lack teh gravitas, you know?

It is true that modrons would be much more interesting if they made enormous clockwork death robots more often.

But as for ants, I have one word for you: Them!

Actually, that was the inspiration for a really good Call of Cthulhu game once upon a time. And a sequel run in Paranoia.

 

[lukelightning]

I always hated the Blood War and also hated the role of yugoloths in it. "Oooh, demons and devils hate each other" is not, to me, as exciting and interesting as people seem to think it is.

And the yugoloths "acting as mercenaries, then betraying and switching sides" is just plain stupid. I guess demons and devils are retarded. What are they, Charlie Brown vs. Lucy and the football? "Yeah, the yugoloths betrayed us last time, and the time before, and the time before that, but this time they really mean to be our allies!"

I like yugoloths as being somehow related to the Far Realms. They seem like a good "alien evil" as opposed to the "classic evil" of devils and demons.

 

[Desdichado]

daemons*

* Why aren't there more cries about this change in D&D cosmology with all the complaints from some D&D grognards about many changes over the years?

Because having demons and daemons being two separate classes of beings always was a stupid idea.

It'd be like having Color Spray and Colour Spray be two seperate spells. Having a stat Armour Class that's different from your Armor Class.

But honestly, I think the grognards don't raise hue and cry about daemons changing to yugoloths because they never cared much about daemons in the first place. Even when they first appeared way back in MM2 (first I remember them, anyway) they felt really forced; obviously just created to fill an alignment quota.

 

[Wormwood]

But honestly, I think the grognards don't raise hue and cry about daemons changing to yugoloths because they never cared much about daemons in the first place. Even when they first appeared way back in MM2 (first I remember them, anyway) they felt really forced; obviously just created to fill an alignment quota.

But yeah, they never really had much of a "role". Here's hoping 4e comes up with one that doesn't reference the insipid Blood War.

edit: hmm. not sure about that. better leave it off.