D&D 4E 4E Cosmology & Yougoloths

[hong]

It is true that modrons would be much more interesting if they made enormous clockwork death robots more often.

Nah, no clockwork. Clockwork is for windup toys, not personifications of cosmic order.

Expand on the polyhedron thing. But make them INTERESTING polyhedrae. Like those here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uniform_polyhedron
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regular_polyhedron
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stellation

You could get even more mathematical and have modrons based on various fundamental theorems of geometry, algebra or analysis. Pythagoras would be proud. But it might be a bit inaccessible to your average hobbyist gamer.

But as for ants, I have one word for you: Them!

Zergs are so videogamey.

 

[Scholar & Brutalman]

I could definitely do without the yugoloths/daemons, but it ain't quite accurate to say that they were created for the sake of Planescape. After all, the daemons appeared as early as the AD&D 1e Fiend Folio. They might've been created for the sake of some kind of planar alignment symmetry, but it was definitely pre-Planescape.

Actually, the nycadaemon and mezzodaemon first appeared in Vault of the Drow. They predate the 1st Ed DMG.

 

[Fieari]

I hate the Blood War, love the idea of NE fiends, hate the name Yugoloth, prefer daemon. Mercenaries I don't care for... as I said, I hate the Blood War. On the other hand, representing corruption appeals to me.

Devils want your soul, in order to do horrible nasty things, while following the rules.
Demons want to destroy, for the sheer sake of destruction, without organization.
Daemons, in my mind, want to corrupt. Organized enough to do some real damage, so to speak. Taking the pure and twisting it. Not to obtain your soul, not to destroy it, but to change it, for the simple sake of spreading evil.

 

[Scholar & Brutalman]

I can see a place for them in the 4e cosmology. From Monsters: Demons and Devils:

Tharizdun, found a seed of evil in the young cosmos, and during the gods’ war with the primordials, he threw that seed into the Elemental Tempest.

The yugoloths could be soldiers of the primordials who escaped the final defeat at the hands of the gods. They fled to remote corners of the planes, eventually finding work as mercenaries for whomever would pay their prices. The daemons hold secrets of the primordials the gods never suspected, and ever-patiently they search for evidence of their creators that they might raise or release them.

 

[Baby Samurai]

The yugoloths could be soldiers of the primordials who escaped the final defeat at the hands of the gods. They fled to remote corners of the planes, eventually finding work as mercenaries for whomever would pay their prices. The daemons hold secrets of the primordials the gods never suspected, and ever-patiently they search for evidence of their creators that they might raise or release them.

NICE.

Are the Primordials maybe analogous to Titans?

 

[Scholar & Brutalman]

NICE.

Are the Primordials maybe analogous to Titans?

Seems likely, but the quote above is the only thing we've heard about them so far.

 

[frankthedm]

Are the Primordials maybe analogous to Titans?

God's had a war with them and won. Sounds like it

Only question is "How alien are the Primordials?" Are we talking elemental lords, essentially bipedal giants, incredibly powerful monsters of terrestrial appearance or horrid things of incomprehensible shapes.

 

[Kunimatyu]

NICE.

Are the Primordials maybe analogous to Titans?

I like the Baerneloth(sp?) analogy -- perhaps it's not too much of a stretch to suggest that the 'loths did create the other two races of fiends: the demons by helping Tharizdun with that seed business, and the devils by convincing a group of angels to turn on their deity.

Things to like, things to like...

 

[Lurks-no-More]

God's had a war with them and won. Sounds like it

Only question is "How alien are the Primordials?" Are we talking elemental lords, essentially bipedal giants, incredibly powerful monsters of terrestrial appearance or horrid things of incomprehensible shapes.

I think the best solution would be to leave this open for the DMs' interpretation. (Personally, I'd lean towards alien powers from ancient eras when the universe was still raw and ill-formed.)

 

[Baby Samurai]

I'd lean towards alien powers from ancient eras when the universe was still raw and ill-formed.)

Far Realm/Elder Evils type action?