[4e] The Dustbowl (QA) [Recruitment - OPEN(1)] (OOC)

[renau1g]

Well, one of Stick's encoutner powers slows the target, but that's about it.

 

[eblue562]

Also, I can't recall right now, but does a surprise round only allow a single standard action? [confirmed and can't action point]

Double confirm that, but we are not really in a "surprise" round at the moment. The orc never noticed you and no one else is caught off guard. Technically (or, as far as I'm concerned), all of you could ready actions and blast the orc from here to Narnia and it would be cool with me.

PS eblue, isn't Caden's stealth check compared with the orc's passive perception rather than you rolling it? ie just like an 'attack' vrs a 'defense'.

PH188: "Opposed Check : Stealth vs. Perception. If there are multiple observers, your stealth check is opposed by each observer's perception check." It probably wouldn't have matter much, since that dude doesn't even have perception trained and only gets a +3 to his roll. He would have had to roll an 18 or higher (10% chance) to even see you.

By the by, I probably won't have access to the boards until Sunday night (or even Monday morning). I might be able to quick check on Saturday afternoon but that's about it. If you do have questions, please ask before 4.00PM EST today (that's about when I'll be leaving to go visit my sister-in-law).

 

[Legildur]

PH188: "Opposed Check : Stealth vs. Perception. If there are multiple observers, your stealth check is opposed by each observer's perception check." It probably wouldn't have matter much, since that dude doesn't even have perception trained and only gets a +3 to his roll. He would have had to roll an 18 or higher (10% chance) to even see you.

Interesting, but isn't that what the static perception scores are for?

 

[eblue562]

Interesting, but isn't that what the static perception scores are for?

That's actually a good point, and I think there is a lot of discussion going on about it. From the PHB (Pg 186):

"In most situations, the DM uses your passive Perception check result to determine if you notice a clue or an imminent danger."

To me, what "passive" perception appears to be is when you are walking down a hallway and not really looking for something and just "happen" to notice it. If your passive perception (PP) is 15, you would notice automatically any trap or door with a DC of 15 or less. If you were "actively" looking for traps or doors, you would roll a perception check. What is strange is that you can actively be looking for doors and roll a perception check that is lower than your PP.

Going back to my earlier post, it would make more sense, then, to have the orc use his PP instead of a perception check. However, since you used your stealth ability, the rules in the stealth section say it must be a roll (check) against an opponent's perception, NOT PP. At least, that's how I see it.

 

[CaBaNa]

I looked at it as if the orc was on guard duty, so active perception check.

Had he been sleeping on guard duty, or playing cards on guard duty, passive perception check.

I've seen it done both ways, and think both create nice atmosphere, if used correctly. It's a preference thing...

From the mechanical stand point, the stealth rules received errata*, and it now specifically says stealth check vs. Passive perception.

eblue, you get DM's prerogative though.

*This is an offsite link to groups.google.com, for official errata downloads, visit the WoTC website.

 

[eblue562]

I looked at it as if the orc was on guard duty, so active perception check.

Had he been sleeping on guard duty, or playing cards on guard duty, passive perception check.

I've seen it done both ways, and think both create nice atmosphere, if used correctly. It's a preference thing...

From the mechanical stand point, the stealth rules received errata*, and it now specifically says stealth check vs. Passive perception.

eblue, you get DM's prerogative though.

*This is an offsite link to groups.google.com, for official errata downloads, visit the WoTC website.

Thanks for the info CaBana, I guess you were right all along Legildur Sorry for the mis-information, I'll use PP from now on vs. Stealth checks.

 

[Legildur]

Thanks for the info CaBana, I guess you were right all along Legildur Sorry for the mis-information, I'll use PP from now on vs. Stealth checks.

While CaBaNa has the rules right, I also like his explanation about the orc being an active sentry and therefore using an active perception check. Whilst this may result in him getting a lower result than his PP, it also gives him the opportunity to beat Caden's stealth check.

I only raised it to save you rolling unnecessary dice.

 

[CaBaNa]

Thanks Legildur!

I like it when the guards get a chance as well!

 

[eblue562]

Whew, a plethora of actions! I'll do a status update and a combat round start when I return from my vacation (I don't have my regular laptop with me). It will be Monday morning when I'll have everything ready.

Binder, if you will be out of town you can have one of the other players PC your actions or I can just have you use an at-will until you return. It probably won't be more than a round or so anyway.

 

[Binder Fred]

I was thinking of using Luring Strike next, slide to J6 and give Caden flanking from H6 if he wants it. Other than that, I'll give control of myself over to CaBaNa, seeing as our PCs get along so well.

Back on friday, Folks!