dave2008
Legend
Don't sweat it. I have already had quite a bit of help. A lot more than I had when I tried to do this for 4e. I will get there.
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Don't sweat it. I have already had quite a bit of help. A lot more than I had when I tried to do this for 4e. I will get there.
Heyo, just checking back in again as a lurker who enjoys your content. I also found some typos in your Dragons section:
Wyrm White Dragon is listed as giving 120,000 XP.
Wyrm Silver Dragon is listed as typically Lawful Evil, and as being CR 287.
Wyrm Blue Dragon has poison damage listed under its damage type for Aura of the Wyrm.
Wyrm Gold Dragon is listed as typically Lawful Evil.
Also, I have a question about your future work on the dragon section. I noticed that on the first page you have it written that while Wyrm Brass and White Dragons will be able to match Ancient Gold and Red Dragons in CR, this is not the case between Wyrm and Great Wyrm categories, with Great Wyrm Brass and White Dragons CR 27 to the CR 28 Wyrm Gold and Red Dragons. Is this something that you are going to change later as you update these drafts, or are you going to keep it that way?
Personally, I liked the idea that the weakest dragons of a certain age group/power level would still be an equal match for the mightiest dragons of the age group below it, to emphasize just how above the lesser age group they were.
Wyrm White Dragon is listed as giving 120,000 XP.
Wyrm Silver Dragon is listed as typically Lawful Evil, and as being CR 287.
Wyrm Blue Dragon has poison damage listed under its damage type for Aura of the Wyrm.
Wyrm Gold Dragon is listed as typically Lawful Evil.
Also, I have a question about your future work on the dragon section. I noticed that on the first page you have it written that while Wyrm Brass and White Dragons will be able to match Ancient Gold and Red Dragons in CR, this is not the case between Wyrm and Great Wyrm categories, with Great Wyrm Brass and White Dragons CR 27 to the CR 28 Wyrm Gold and Red Dragons. Is this something that you are going to change later as you update these drafts, or are you going to keep it that way?
Personally, I liked the idea that the weakest dragons of a certain age group/power level would still be an equal match for the mightiest dragons of the age group below it, to emphasize just how above the lesser age group they were.
dave2008
Legend
Thank you for catching those. I already fixed the silver's CR and thought I had fixed those alignment issues. I will get them corrected for the next PDF update.
Regarding the ancient - wyrm - great wyrm CRs: Currently I don't plan on changing it. The reason for the CRs that we chose is that the CR jump between age groups in the MM is 7 (adult black is CR14 - ancient is CR21). However, this is a jump of 2 age groups (adult - elder - ancient). So, the great wyrm is a jump of 7 and this sets the cap (ancient red CR 24 to great wyrm red CR 31). As a result the wyrm's are either a jump of CR 4 or CR 3 and we chose CR 4. So the great wyrms will only be jump of CR 3. Though the CR's will overlap, a great wyrm white will have abilities and traits that a wyrm red or blue will not. CR is not the be all to end all of the expression of what a monster can do.
I don't really want to push the dragon CRs too high, but this current approach is not set in stone. I can be swayed.
dave2008
Legend
Not sure what you mean. Everything looks fine to me. Can you clarify?
dave2008
Legend
I have updated and re-loaded the these dragons. They PDF is corrected as well, but I will wait until the next major update to upload it again.
Blacklight85
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And sway I will!
Mate I of course agree with Atroper. That the great wyrm whites and brass should at least be able to have the same level of strength with the wyrm red and golds. It would be just unfair to believe that despite being older than the red and golds they're still somewhat weaker, ignoring the new abilities.
Also If I remember correctly in the 3rd edition Asmodeus was a 31 CR Monster. Still not sure about that, my memory of 3e is hazy. The Great wyrm gold in the 3rd edition is a 27 CR monster only 4 cr weaker. At max power in hell Asmodeus has a CR of 37, in your Epic monster project.
Also I remember that we already decided that it would be okay to bump the great wyrms one more CR to equalize the power of the white and brass great wyrms to the wyrm red and gold.
Lastly please excuse my english if I have mistakes I'm rushing other stuff but can't help to look around here since it's my favorite dnd project to follow.
dave2008
Legend
Not sure what Asmodeus has to do with it but he was CR 32 in 3e.
I will definitely think about. I might be willing to up to CR 32.
The issue i have is that it doesn't leave much room for dragon gods and unique / more powerful dragons. A dragon all by itself is starting to push greater gods. That being said, I am fine with them being on par with Demon Princes and Arch-Devils, so maybe it is fine.
Blacklight85
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I talked about asmodeus because their CR was quite close in older editions. And dragons have always been up there when it came to super strong beings. And the ultimate reasoning which I forgot to mention is that dragons that reach great wyrm stage are rarer than rare.
Sure mate take your time.
Uthal Dawncaller
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Hey,
I was just wondering if you had ever been able to create a stat block for the greater god, Bane? If so, would you be able to direct me to it as I would be hoping to use it in a west marches campaign.
Many Thanks in advance!!
I was just wondering if you had ever been able to create a stat block for the greater god, Bane? If so, would you be able to direct me to it as I would be hoping to use it in a west marches campaign.
Many Thanks in advance!!
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