D&D 5E 5E Survivor - Deities (Part 2: Greyhawk) Boccob Advances!

[Shiroiken]

Beory 22
Boccob 20
Celestian 22
Ehlonna 20
Erythnul 18
Fharlanghn 19
Heironeous 21
Hextor 20
Kord 14
Incabulos 20
Istus 21
Iuz 20
Nerull 18
Obad-Hai 20
Olidammara 21
Pelor 19
Pholtus 17
Ralishaz 20
Rao 9
St. Cuthbert 22
Tharizdun 16
Trithereon 21
Ulaa 18
Vecna 13
Wee Jas 16

Um…. Vecna predates all the other settings. The god things is arguable - the Greyhawk part isn’t.

Vecna was created by Brian Blume, not Gygax, and was not part of the original Greyhawk lore. His original entry was in the 1E DMG that didn't have any setting reference. Reading the histories in the Greyhawk boxed set, there's not a reasonable time period he could have existed after the Twin Cataclysm that fits his lore. They added him in after the fact, with his first Greyhawk mention happening after Gygax was ousted.

 

[Tallifer]

Beory 22
Boccob 20
Celestian 22 +1 =23
Ehlonna 20
Erythnul 18
Fharlanghn 19
Heironeous 21
Hextor 20
Kord 14
Incabulos 20
Istus 21
Iuz 20
Nerull 18
Obad-Hai 20
Olidammara 21
Pelor 19
Pholtus 17
Ralishaz 20
Rao 9
St. Cuthbert 22
Tharizdun 16
Trithereon 21
Ulaa 18
Vecna 13
Wee Jas 16 -2 =14

 

[PabloM]

Beory 22
Boccob 20
Celestian 23
Ehlonna 20
Erythnul 18
Fharlanghn 19
Heironeous 21
Hextor 20
Kord 14
Incabulos 20
Istus 21
Iuz 20
Nerull 19
Obad-Hai 20
Olidammara 21
Pelor 19
Pholtus 17
Ralishaz 20
Rao 9
St. Cuthbert 20
Tharizdun 16
Trithereon 21
Ulaa 18
Vecna 13
Wee Jas 14

 

[OB1]

Beory 22
Boccob 20
Celestian 23
Ehlonna 20
Erythnul 18
Fharlanghn 19
Heironeous 21+1=22
Hextor 20
Kord 14
Incabulos 20
Istus 21
Iuz 20
Nerull 19
Obad-Hai 20
Olidammara 21
Pelor 19
Pholtus 17
Ralishaz 20
Rao 9-2=7
St. Cuthbert 20
Tharizdun 16
Trithereon 21
Ulaa 18
Vecna 13
Wee Jas 14

 

[PabloM]

Pholtus wasn't a city-setting of Monte Cook's personal game?

 

[Snarf Zagyg]

Vecna was created by Brian Blume, not Gygax, and was not part of the original Greyhawk lore. His original entry was in the 1E DMG that didn't have any setting reference. Reading the histories in the Greyhawk boxed set, there's not a reasonable time period he could have existed after the Twin Cataclysm that fits his lore. They added him in after the fact, with his first Greyhawk mention happening after Gygax was ousted.

So ...I don't agree with that. The first entry is not the 1e DMG, it's Eldritch Wizardry (OD&D Supplement III). Technically, the very first entry for Vecna is under the Sword of Kas in that book. This sword, along with the famous hand and eye in the supplement, were later lifted wholesale and placed in the 1e DMG.

These entries were made by Brian Blume, but the choice to place them into the 1e DMG was (of course) done by Gygax. The default (and only) campaign setting for D&D products at that time was Greyhawk- until the release of the Grey Box FRCS, there was no other campaign setting (Kara Tur was originally designed to be Greyhawk).

In effect, you can take one of two views- either the naming of specific individuals when the only setting was Greyhawk means that they are part of Greyhawk, or not. Personally, I fell into the first camp. Named personages, whether they are directly traceable to the specific campaign of Gygax (Robilar, Mordenkainen) or not (Tasha, Vecna) are part of Greyhawk.

And yes, there is a time for Vecna, just like Lum.

Finally, Vecna ... is an anagram. Game. Set. Greyhawk.

Now, if you want to get into the more contentious issue of elevating Vecna to deity status, and all the things they've done with Vecna since the 1e DMG, etc., I have no dog in that fight (other than saying that sometimes, mysteries are best left as mysteries). But I will jealousy and zealously defend the people of Greyhawk, living, dead, and undead, from the foul clutches of the omnivorous abomination of Ed Greenwood!

 

[Baldurs_Underdark]

Beory 22
Boccob 20
Celestian 23
Ehlonna 20
Erythnul 18
Fharlanghn 19
Heironeous 22
Hextor 20
Kord 14
Incabulos 20
Istus 21
Iuz 20
Nerull 19
Obad-Hai 20
Olidammara 21
Pelor 19
Pholtus 17
Ralishaz 20
Rao 7-2=5 Gods, kick 'em while they're down
St. Cuthbert 20
Tharizdun 16
Trithereon 21
Ulaa 18
Vecna 13+1=14
Wee Jas 14

 

[RoughCoronet0]

Beory 22
Boccob 20+1=21
Celestian 23
Ehlonna 20
Erythnul 18
Fharlanghn 19
Heironeous 22
Hextor 20
Kord 14
Incabulos 20
Istus 21
Iuz 20
Nerull 19
Obad-Hai 20
Olidammara 21
Pelor 19
Pholtus 17
Ralishaz 20
Rao 5
St. Cuthbert 20
Tharizdun 16-2=14
Trithereon 21
Ulaa 18
Vecna 14
Wee Jas 14

 

[Plaguescarred]

Beory 22
Boccob 21
Celestian 23
Ehlonna 20
Erythnul 18
Fharlanghn 19
Heironeous 22
Hextor 20
Kord 14
Incabulos 20
Istus 21
Iuz 20
Nerull 19
Obad-Hai 20
Olidammara 21
Pelor 19
Pholtus 17
Ralishaz 20
Rao 5 - 2 = 3
St. Cuthbert 20 + 1 = 21
Tharizdun 14
Trithereon 21
Ulaa 18
Vecna 14
Wee Jas 14

 

[Legatus Legionis]

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