D&D General 6e guesses

[payn]

Yeah, I know the pace of products for 3E/PF1 was hefty and stressed folks out. I never felt compelled to buy it all, but I know some did.

What I really miss is the monthly APs. I know PF2 kept it up, but that wasnt the system for me. Though, it sounds like monthly APs are going to quarterly editions now.

 

[Morrus]

Just because you dont have the ability to use the term elegance/understand what it means in gamedesign does not make it less useful.


I have it, if you dont understand gamedesign enough to understand that term, then dont reply to people using it. I also dont respond to people speaking chinese saying that their words are not useful because I dont understand them.


It is used since 2008 because 4E was the first edition to use modern gamedesign principles (similar to what Magic the Gathering uses since its change to the Modern frame), of which one is elegance, this means you would have had 18 years to learn the term since then...

Dial down the condescension, please.

 

[Clint_L]

And crucially, it's not like 5e would suddenly go away with the release of a non-backwards compatible 6e; it will continue to exist and maintain a fanbase just like every other D&D edition has.

This is exactly the disaster that WotC is trying to avoid at all costs.

I don't think you can make reasonable predictions while ignoring the very public strategy that WotC shouts about at every opportunity.

They do not want to become their own competitor like TSR did; they did a forensic accounting on TSR after they purchased it and have a very good understanding of how it screwed its own brand. They will not intentionally undermine DnDBeyond as the main delivery system for the game. Those are the bald facts. You have to factor them into predictions for where the game is going, or else your predictions are just wishes. Which is great, but that's a whole other topic. The next rules update, whatever the fans choose to call it on forums like this, will be officially named "Dungeons and Dragons," just like the current one, and will maintain continuity with DDB. That you can bank on.

 

[TwoSix]

I don't think you can make reasonable predictions while ignoring the very public strategy that WotC shouts about at every opportunity.

Ok. But I was simply answering the question you asked in post 26, “What is the upside to breaking 5e?”

The upside could be something innovative and interesting by a company that can afford for very high production values, and with a lot of baked-in interest.

The question was not “What is the upside to breaking 5e for WotC?” They probably won’t, for many of the reasons you mentioned.

 

[EzekielRaiden]

This isn't a marriage, though. You are allowed to move on if it's not working for you any longer, especially since, with all the fantasy games out there, the style of play you're looking for is almost certainly available in multiple game lines today.

Counterpoint: I tried to move on. It didn't work. I don't get to play games that aren't THE game in vogue, because I tried and it didn't work.

I would not be half as salty as I am about 5e if it were as trivial as you imply to find good games of other systems. As it stands, I have three options. All of them are "settle for your 20th+ choice of system" because, despite being open to some dozen+ list of systems, I couldn't find games for over a year. The only reason I'm a player at all is because Hussar took pity on me and most graciously gave me a spot at his table.

 

[Zardnaar]

All of which exist in other games.

People want the name, or the appeal to authority, or even less useful things.

You cant use Baldur's Gate and D&Disms are things like Gith and Yuan Ti.

And the name as well. All the clones are essentially someones knock off

 

[Jahydin]

and the best is to get back together with you?

Nah. One of the best lessons I've learned in life is just because you love someone doesn't mean you need to marry them.

ugh, there is literally nothing I would ever believe that first youtuber, she is the worst, and the second one is just wild, unfounded speculation that diminishes my respect for that youtuber along with my willingness to watch him again / believe anything from him either.

Good to know about the first video; it was my first time seeing her. Tenkar I do know though and he always seemed pretty down to earth to me? I don't think he's getting this from thin air since I've read in various places of WotC's interest in tapping older designers for the new edition as well.

These two videos do not give me hope about their content, they make me question why I should watch their channels ever again… this feels a lot more like wishful thinking on your end than anything else.

That's why I said more of a hope than a prediction. If I was purely predicting, my honest take is a new edition in 2027 with a few "grey beards" on the team or hired as advisors. If they're actively helping shape the new edition or just there for "grog" cred, I don't know.

Guess you are not over your breakup yet after all

Well no. D&D has been a major part of my life for over 30 years! Although I haven't purchased any new material in almost a decade, of course I'm still going to miss the franchise and root for a return to glory. In the mean time though, I am happily playing other games.

 

[bsss]

You cant use Baldur's Gate and D&Disms are things like Gith and Yuan Ti.

And the name as well. All the clones are essentially someones knock off

If you write Baldur's Gate into your Pathfinder or GURPS or whatever game, no one is going to call the cops on you. You can even call beholders beholders! </mind_blown>

 

[AlViking]

Maybe you look up first a bit on gamedesign before you insult me just because you dont know what elegance in gamedesign means? I know its trendy in RPGs to not understand gamedesign, but some people come from other genres of games like me and do.

Maybe don't try to fluff up your opinions with sparkle. There are many approaches to game design, many goals, many treatises written on how to do games "better" that to me are just ways of attempting to raise the author's preferences up onto a pedestal.

No. New version of old games are released all the way. Like shadowdark, and pathfinder etc. which in boardgames would not even count as new games and would be disqualified from competitions for prices for being too much of what is there.

Both. We need new versions of D&D

Nah. If you want something different, play something different. I, and the people I play with like D&D as it is warts and all.

Because WotC has money to hire good gamedesigners, and good gamedesigners do want to innovate. Also because maybe at some point some marketing person thinks that something else might sell even more.

What you want out of a game is not particularly relevant, D&D's design goal is to have broad based appeal and be relatively easy to pick up. Their continued dominance of the market with 5e indicates that it works.

Innovation is always good, it brings new things so more variety. We dont need old things because they already exist.

I thought 4e was innovative. It didn't have lasting success. The trash heap of history is filled with innovative products that didn't work.

"Other games" are mostly D&D clones or narrative games. D&D needs to change because it could be much better than it is, and because new is always better, since the old still exist.

D&D wants new target audiences, old people dont bring growth in the end, and for new target audiences you normally need change. Sure maybe another stranger things/critical role happens, but you cant hope for that and must do your own plans.

Why would D&D need a new target audience other than the HS and college age people it already brings in? D&D has a lot of advantages in name recognition to pull people in but in order to keep them? To be something other than a flash in the pan that fades away like so many other hot items have over the years? It has to be something people enjoy.

 

[Zardnaar]

If you write Baldur's Gate into your Pathfinder or GURPS or whatever game, no one is going to call the cops on you. You can even call beholders beholders! </mind_blown>

You cant publish it though.

Its about attracting people vs making a knock off.