DonTadow said:
It just seems that these arguments are fairly selfish. The kid isn't getting anything out of it. Most of these restaurants don't have kids menus and the movies that are r rated either have plots far outside the reach of the kid or put violent and sexual images in the kids head.
The public in the restaurant or theater aren't getting anything but a waste of their enjoyment from their dollar. It seems the only one who benefits are the people whom can say that they control their kids; fight the power. This is very close to the lady who got kicked off a plane recently after the flight attendant asked her to conceal her nursing. I don't think that restaurants and movie theaters should make rules for this, I think humans should be naturally courteous of one another.
It's interesting that you say that my arguments seem rather selfish. I was thinking the same thing when reading the arguments against allowing kids in restaurants and theaters. I see a lot of people saying, "MY time was ruined because someone didn't act according to how I wanted them to act."
I think we are talking about different kinds of restaurants and movies. I don't bring my toddler to "fancy" restaurants that don't have kids menus and I definitely don't take her to see 'r' rated movies. As for restaurants, I am saying that, as a parent, I am not restricted to 'kid oriented' restaurants such as
Chuck E. Cheese. I should be able to take my wife and kids out for a nice meal at
Chili's or
Outback or something similar without someone giving me the evil eye if my kids act up a little (and I correct them). This is not about being able to say that 'we control our kids' or 'fighting the power'. It is about being a parent and enjoying time with our families and teaching our kids the difference between good behavior and bad behavior. I get really frustrated because it seems that many people complain that kids are even allowed out in public at all.
As for the movies, I won't take my kids to see 'r' rated movies for many many years. Does that mean I can't take a child to see a 'PG'? No, there are plotlines and elements in PG rated movies that a child can appreciate and enjoy. Still, some will complain if they hear a child in a movie that is not rated 'G'.
As for the nursing on the plane thing. Do I think a woman should have right to nurse in public? Yes. Do I think she needs to be discreet and cover? Yes.
I agree with you that as humans we should be courteous of one another. However, unlike a lot of folks, I think that the courteous behavior should also be extended TO parents and children and not just expected FROM them.