A question for PCGen users

Oh, and one more thing. It's Hasbro that I hold all this contempt for. I've never seen them do anything that didn't further their own ends. Hopefully WotC is still the company that I like and respect, and will see that ultimately, PCGen is not going to be a significant problem, and may even boost sales.
 

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Hi all,

Karianna here, long time reader, 1st time poster :). For those who don't know me, I'm the public Moderator of the PCGEN groups and several other assorted titles that you don't care about ;p.

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It is generally not considered nice _in any_ message forum to make uninformed inflamatory comments like "I bet company X won't even bother meeting with Group Y coz they're just money grubbing.....".

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WoTC are actually talking to PCGEN, in fact have had several meetings with us! For at least the last couple of months! Of their own accord even!!

If anyone has any further Q's about this, please don't hesitate to contact me via email, I'm more than happy to help 8-)

Karianna
PCGEN Moderator
Tracker Chimp
Soul Reaper Howler (working towards Gibbon)
LST Lemure
 

karianna said:
Hi all,

Karianna here, long time reader, 1st time poster :). For those who don't know me, I'm the public Moderator of the PCGEN groups and several other assorted titles that you don't care about ;p.

<flexes paw mode="soft">

It is generally not considered nice _in any_ message forum to make uninformed inflamatory comments like "I bet company X won't even bother meeting with Group Y coz they're just money grubbing.....".

</flexes>

WoTC are actually talking to PCGEN, in fact have had several meetings with us! For at least the last couple of months! Of their own accord even!!

If anyone has any further Q's about this, please don't hesitate to contact me via email, I'm more than happy to help 8-)

Karianna
PCGEN Moderator
Tracker Chimp
Soul Reaper Howler (working towards Gibbon)
LST Lemure

See the following quote from above

Originally posted by brianajones
And that's fine on the mailing list. Here however, it's really not up to you, since you're not a moderator. And since it was brought up, here's my opinion...

Since I know you have seen far worse over at the PCGen site I am not worried about scaring you off. Please take the following as my own frustration and not that of the ENboards in general. Mostly we are nice people.

<Begin Rant>
As brianajones pointed out this is not your list. I know on your list you must keep friendly to improve your chances of getting permission for your files. Here however that limitation does not apply. This is not the first time or will hardly be the last that WotC or more approriately Hasbo will be critized here. The great thing about ENboards is that we have a chance to express our opinions as long as they do not offend Eric's Grandmother. If you want to defend WotC and Hasbro great I would love to hear it, but you should not be saying that this discussion should not happen here. Many people legitimately feel that Hasbro is going the way of T$R and to try to stop us may be approriate on your boards but not here. There have been some great discussions of this topic already with certain ex-employees taking the WotC is being run by the bean counters position.

Is WotC talking with PCGen - Yes
Does the PCGen team say they are hopeful - Yes
Do I believe WotC is negotiating in good faith - NO
Do I believe that WotC will string this out for many months - Yes
Is WotC going to punish you for what happens here - I doubt it but if they do it only proves my point.

<End Rant>

So since this is not the PCgen list and since I own all the WotC books already I will second the request from James McMurry. I too could use a copy of the updated lst files for 4.x so I can finally upgrade from 2.7.3.
 

Like many, I have deleted my old copies of PCGen and would like to gat a hold of a copy of 2.7.3 or even 3.0. So if anyone can help me out please let me know.

Cheers, Chris
 

brianajones said:
...They are proving to me, at least, that they are really just in it for the money.

That is in case, for instance, you didn't realize that WotC was a for profit company. Duh!

This is like complaining that chocolate *always* tastes like chocoloate.
 

Brown Jenkin said:


<Begin Rant>

Is WotC talking with PCGen - Yes
Does the PCGen team say they are hopeful - Yes
Do I believe WotC is negotiating in good faith - NO
Do I believe that WotC will string this out for many months - Yes
Is WotC going to punish you for what happens here - I doubt it but if they do it only proves my point.

<End Rant>


Are you present at the discussions between WotC and PCGen? - No
Do you have any concrete proof which would back up your claim? -No
Are you just jumping on the Corporation = Bad bandwagon? - Yes
 

Brown Jenkin said:


See the following quote from above

Since I know you have seen far worse over at the PCGen site I am not worried about scaring you off. Please take the following as my own frustration and not that of the ENboards in general. Mostly we are nice people.

<Begin Rant>
As brianajones pointed out this is not your list. I know on your list you must keep friendly to improve your chances of getting permission for your files. Here however that limitation does not apply. This is not the first time or will hardly be the last that WotC or more approriately Hasbo will be critized here. The great thing about ENboards is that we have a chance to express our opinions as long as they do not offend Eric's Grandmother. If you want to defend WotC and Hasbro great I would love to hear it, but you should not be saying that this discussion should not happen here. Many people legitimately feel that Hasbro is going the way of T$R and to try to stop us may be approriate on your boards but not here. There have been some great discussions of this topic already with certain ex-employees taking the WotC is being run by the bean counters position.

Is WotC talking with PCGen - Yes
Does the PCGen team say they are hopeful - Yes
Do I believe WotC is negotiating in good faith - NO
Do I believe that WotC will string this out for many months - Yes
Is WotC going to punish you for what happens here - I doubt it but if they do it only proves my point.
<End Rant>

So since this is not the PCgen list and since I own all the WotC books already I will second the request from James McMurry. I too could use a copy of the updated lst files for 4.x so I can finally upgrade from 2.7.3.

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Hmm, it seems I could be accused of trolling from my original post I guess 8-(.

OK here goes 8-), I guess I know you won't take offense either! 8-)

Um, I never stated this was my board, have issued no C&D orders and have not asked the Moderators of these boards to remove posts asking for the lst files. <b>I sure as hell have not asked this thread to stop</b>. I simply offered myself as a further point of contact for those who want the official story and tried to make a point.

I completely respect the Moderators of these boards, I know exactly what it's like 8-)

My point was that making comments without knowing the facts make those comments somewhat invalid, yet dangerous. And I think that is 'not nice'. But I guess that's just my personal opinion *shrug*

Karianna
 

MeepoTheMighty said:


Are you present at the discussions between WotC and PCGen? - No
Do you have any concrete proof which would back up your claim? -No
Are you just jumping on the Corporation = Bad bandwagon? - Yes

Your right I'm not there, and I don't have concrete proof. But then I never claimed I had. I stated my personal opinion. Do I need concrete proof to back up my opinions, no they are my opinions. I would be very happy to be proven wrong. Am I jumping on the corporate bandwagon = bad, in general I support the free market system and corporations but I do disagree with them trying to restrict legal fair use and extending patent and copyright laws well past what the founding fathers intended.
 



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