Abdurant champion and mage armour?

[SadisticFishing]

Just a quick note - that would mean the class adds 10 AC in a 5-level prestige class with full bab, d10s, and full caster progression. The class is DEFINATELY strong enough without it.

 

[saucercrab]

Funny enough, I just read this class five minutes ago for the first time before coming here. My 17th level eldritch knight is ruing the fact that I didn't see this sooner. It is my new plan for levels 18-20. I was merely looking for things with 2/3 in both spellcasting and BAB such as the human paragon class before.

Who knew that taking combat casting at 18th level would be the path to greater power for my character.

Your character will have to wait until 19th level, b/c PrC requirements have to be fulfilled before the class can be entered (barring a house rule), & when leveling-up, the class is chosen before any (third-level multiple) feats.

 

[Maldor]

i like the class and you could easly research a abjuration mage armor i mean really the spell should have always been there or evocation like wall of force

but i like strong chacters both as a player and DM i mean if you get your butt kicked your not a hero your a victim

 

[frankthedm]

Your character will have to wait until 19th level, b/c PrC requirements have to be fulfilled before the class can be entered (barring a house rule), & when leveling-up, the class is chosen before any (third-level multiple) feats.

You sure? I don't mess with PRCs much so I never read into them.

 

[Christian]

You sure? I don't mess with PRCs much so I never read into them.

Yup. Otherwise, 1st-level monks couldn't take Improved Grapple as their non-bonus feat, because they wouldn't have the Improved Unarmed Strike pre-requisite feat yet at the point that feats are chosen.

So, it doesn't just matter for prestige classes. Other examples--a Ftr1/Rgr 2 who takes 2-Weapon Fighting as his Ranger bonus feat at third level qualifies for 2-Weapon Defense for this third-level feat.

 

[Seeten]

the levelup process doesnt require you have the feat before you gain the level, merely you have the feat before you choose the class.

Thus, you can take the feat at 18, THEN select your class.

 

[Voadam]

Your character will have to wait until 19th level, b/c PrC requirements have to be fulfilled before the class can be entered (barring a house rule), & when leveling-up, the class is chosen before any (third-level multiple) feats.

PH II retraining rules to swap out a feat.

 

[Christian]

the levelup process doesnt require you have the feat before you gain the level, merely you have the feat before you choose the class.

Thus, you can take the feat at 18, THEN select your class.

PHB pg. 58

"When your character attains a new level, make these changes:
1. Choose Class ... 7. Feats."

 

[saucercrab]

PH II retraining rules to swap out a feat.

He could do that instead, yes. That doesn't make what I said incorrect. I was merely responding to what he did write.

frankthedm & Seeten,

Prestige classes offer a new form of multiclassing. Unlike the basic classes, characters must meet Requirements before they can take their first level of a prestige class. The rules for level advancement apply to this system, meaning the first step of advancement is always choosing a class. If a character does not meet the Requirements for a prestige class before that first step, that character cannot take the first level of that prestige class. Taking a prestige class does not incur the experience point penalties normally associated with multiclassing.

But Voadam offers a much easier solution, that I neglected to touch upon.

 

[milo]

I am picturing a 15th level spell caster with the highest AC in the party by far. Take the 5 levels in this and then the 5 levels in the argent savant class that grants a +2 bonus on force spells that grant an AC bonus. Use the greater mage armor for 13 points of ac and shield for another 11 points. Two spells for +24 ac. Not bad if you just wanted to use your 1st level spells for defense you could have a +22. Without items or dex or other spells taken into account you are sitting at an AC of 32. If you decided that you wanted to take one level of monk to throw on the Ascetic Mage feat and you boost your charisma as much as possible you would be unhittable. AC in the 40's easy. Of course if you went this route you would be two levels back in spellcasting progression. Don't know if it is worth it. This would actually take longer to get than level 15. Due to BAB reqs of the champ and spell reqs for the argent savant.