(Adventure) Immortality Awakens (Knight Otu Judging)

[Brain]

ooc: My character certainly doesn't see things from the same point of view as the Hobgoblin does. Scun is a good guy, but really, this Hobgoblin is a huge hypocrite and an ass, and has us on the defensive. How do you expect us to respond?

 

[Rystil Arden]

(OOC: Oh, I'm not saying he's not a hypocrite or an ass. I'm just saying that my Chaotic Good characters would not just laugh off murdering innocent people with their bow (absolutely, strong extenuating circumstances make the killing itself perfectly fair--its the not feeling sorry that I wouldn't do). Not that I'm going to say its an alignment violation or anything, mind you, because I think that this is still in line with a possible Chaotic Good outlook, but its just not how I would react...a big part of what makes the hobgoblin come off as an ass is how incensed he is that you have all shrugged off the murder as if it was nothing--not even a cursory apology or attempt to claim it a misunderstanding. Now, I don't think you've done anything objectively wrong, but I'm just saying that a band of Chaotic Evil characters would have probably acted the same way in this situation (no apologies and demanding concessions to build up their power). No worries, though. This is fun )

 

[Brain]

ooc: considering that none of us have even heard of a "good" hobgoblin before and he came up to us calling us backstabbing murderers and demanding money, I don't see our actions as unreasonable. His claim of being hired by local villages is pretty unbelievable from our point of view. His people being innocent is far from a fact in my mind at least.

 

[Rystil Arden]

(OOC: Reading my last post again, I just want to stress--I find it curious, but not wrong in any way, just in case I sounded accusatory. Anyways, no worries )

Edit: Oh, didn't see that last post. Well if you consider them to not be innocent that changes everything. Never mind then, makes perfect sense, and thanks! Good to know where you're coming from.

 

[Brain]

ooc: Yeah I find it an interesting situation as well. Gonna wait and see if anybody else who is conscious has something to add or can maybe deflate the situation. I know Scun's banter isn't helping our cause, but that's how he is.

 

[Rystil Arden]

(OOC: Heehee, I can definitely see Scun's gruffness as appropriate with 6 Charisma, although low Charismas sometimes wind up backing down too. I'm most curious about what Somac's response will ultimately be (don't tell me Vigwyn, I'm waiting to find out ). Although Cade was the main driving force behind the killing of the hobgoblins, Somac is the direct, unquestioned murderer of Garank the hobgoblin, and unlike Cade, he's still awake to react )

 

[Bront]

(OOC: OOC check--does anyone feel the least bit guilty about murdering the hobgoblins? Good-aligned folks especially and maybe the many Lawful Neutrals as well?)

OOC: I feel pain at the moment. I'd comment, and probably comment in a way they're hoping to hear from us, but I'm not exactly in speaking condition at the moment. However, what it looks like on my end, is that they were fighting the renders and surounding a little girl, and given that Cade has only met hobgoblins with truely evil intents, he had to assume that they were causing the problem. And then the orcs attacked. And I notice that they did NOT jump in to attack the orcs when we turned to attack them, or call out to us to ask us to stop and try to explain themselves. And now, they were trying to prevent us from healing our wounded, and extort money from us. And beyond that, one of them insists on a duel to the death. Now, knowing what I know, assuming I can take them at their word, Cade does regret the decision to attack the hobgoblins, but they certaintly don't seem particulary inocent to me, nor do they seem particularly good hearted or good at heart.

 

[Rystil Arden]

And I notice that they did NOT jump in to attack the orcs when we turned to attack them

(OOC: This is true. To muddy the waters, they might have come in to help if you were losing to the orcs, but they were afraid that if they came out and started attacking the orcs, you would attack them. They would have done it if you guys were really losing though, or probably even just if Somac had gone down. They were pretty scared of size Large Enraged Somac--the strategy was to hide until one of those two effects ended

do they seem particularly good hearted or good at heart.

Certainly true, they aren't goodly paladin types. Mainly Lawful Neutral just like Anton, A'jardin, and Tandi, actually

prevent us from healing our wounded

If you were in their position (remember--they think you guys are probably evil and untrustworthy), would you let them all heal up to full? He did say that nonmagical healing was fine and that if someone was going to die without the magic to use it

~Rystil, the Devil's Advocate )

 

[azmodean]

OOC: [sblock]I have been presenting A'jardin's view pretty much as it is. He did try to "game" the conversation a bit to try to give Scun time to heal the others, but in a totally defensive fashion. At first (before he had a chance to say anything) he felt a bit guilty about the death of the hobgoblin he helped kill (via Enlarge Person), but as soon as the hobgoblin leader opened his mouth he became convinced that all the accusations are merely a facade to try to extort money from the party, so the guilt faded away. Now he's actually angry at the hobgoblin's apparent mercenary view of the death of one of his allies. (my friend died, might as well get some money out of it), which is enhanced by his honest fear that his new allies (and A'jardin himself) were just about to die while the hobgoblins stood by and did nothing. By the way, it is a quite frustrating situation to be in, but very interesting from a role-playing point of view. About the healing, I say one charge from the wand for each unconsious party member is the best way to be sure they don't die, just one, it will hardly make them fit for combat.[/sblock]

Your arrogance astounds me, that you can stand there and say that you would have defeated the renders and the orcs with not a single loss after already losing five of your allies before we even arrived. At the best, it seems that you may have suffered the same losses wether we arrived or not. More likely the orcs would have killed you all. We perhaps rushed in where we should not, but your claims are baseless, and the only one doing any threatening here is you. I will defend myself and my comrades if attacked, but otherwise I bear you no ill will; I merely wish to leave this terrible situation.

 

[Rystil Arden]

"My claims are baseless? Are you crazy, human? If you'd like, I can drop my request for a weregild and take your comrades back to the village to be put on trial. I don't suggest it, however, as I have no doubt they would be executed, but if you'd prefer it, then that's fine with me. Unlike you, who it is apparent want this to turn into a fight, I don't see a reason for pointless bloodshed, and that makes me kinder to you than some of my band to whom I had to argue for mercy. In my mind, more death will not bring our murdered fellows back to life...However, money can, and if we want even a chance of seeing Shural (OOC: fine!) bring back our fallen, the weregild is a place to start. Really, I think you are just being a racist. Would you be responding this way if it was a human you killed? Or an elf?"