Ahsoka - SPOILERS

[briggart]

Is he, though? Yeah, he's famous as the guy who took the shot that destroyed the first Death Star. But everything that happened after that, everything that was related to him being a powerful Jedi, happened somewhat behind the scenes, known only to his friends at most. He trained on a planet so obscure that Yoda successfully hid out there for twenty years, he made a brief visit to a gas mine on Bespin and basically hardly met anyone, then he broke his friend out from Jabba's palace in a fashion that pretty much left no living witnesses, before going on what was already a covert mission, splitting off from that mission and going to confront Vader and the Emperor alone, an act in which, again, there were pretty much no surviving witnesses.

Most of the galaxy probably doesn't even know he was there, they assume that Vader and Palpatine died when the second Death Star exploded. Unless Luke went out of his way to make his part in those events widely known, there's no reason why they would be.

I haven't read any of the novels and comics from the Disney era, but my understanding is that, also in the new continuity, almost a year passes between Empire and Return, during which Luke carried on several important missions for the Alliance.

He doesn't strike me as particularly shy about his Jedi connections: he carries his lightsaber openly in the movies, and C3PO told the Ewoks of the fight with Vader on Bespin. The Rebellion has at least a superficial faith in the Force; having a Jedi on their side would be a huge morale boost, so I don't see Luke being particularly secretive about his powers.

I expect very few people knew he was Vader's son, but it's not unreasonable to think that most Rebels knew there was a Jedi in their midst, even if they may have not been able to recognize him if they actually met.

 

[briggart]

And yet that’s not how it is in the GFFA. Jedi and their powers are virtually unknown. Remember that Han says he’s been all over the galaxy and seen all sorts of stuff but doesn’t believe the Force is real. Han represents your average galactic citizen.

I agree that it’s ridiculous that everyone should forget in such a short span of time, but that’s how Lucas wanted it to be.

Order 66 happened about 20 years before Star Wars, Han was 5-10 years old at the time. He grew up in a galaxy where the few remaining Jedi/Force users were in hiding and the Empire was actively suppressing knowledge of them and the Force, it makes sense people his age or younger wouldn't believe in the Force.

But I don't think people 15+ year older than Han had actually completely forgotten about Jedi and the Force. They simply keep quiet and feign ignorance/disinterest to avoid being disappeared by the Empire.

 

[Zardnaar]

2-4 people running around using "magic" to save people would make international news in 1.3 seconds. And there would be lots and lots and lots of video. It would be all over Tiktok!!!!

Empire controls tik tok.

You may know about the Jedi but it's tales, myth, legend and decades of propaganda. Then 27 years of obfuscation, lies and propaganda.

Jedi business is roughly the equivalent of asking what Sergei, Pyotyr, Vlad and Alina got up to in sone small Siberian village in 1996 in the aftermath of the collapse if the USSR and those events have been buried.

See how much damage a regime can do in 12 years say 33-45 or current media situation in say Russia last 20 odd years add another decade onto that.

 

[Maxperson]

Empire controls tik tok.

You may know about the Jedi but it's tales, myth, legend and decades of propaganda. Then 27 years of obfuscation, lies and propaganda.

Luke wasn't 27 and all the lies an obfuscation won't end people who were around for the Old Republic and jedi, which was nearly the whole galaxy. There were still millions of people who had first hand accounts and could talk. Luke was 19 years old and he was born when the empire took over.

Jedi business is roughly the equivalent of asking what Sergei, Pyotyr, Vlad and Alina got up to in sone small Siberian village in 1996 in the aftermath of the collapse if the USSR and those events have been buried.

No, it was more like asking what Patton, Rommel and McArthur had been up to 19 years after WWII when almost everyone around was still alive to remember and talk about it.

 

[Zardnaar]

Luke wasn't 27 and all the lies an obfuscation won't end people who were around for the Old Republic and jedi, which was nearly the whole galaxy. There were still millions of people who had first hand accounts and could talk. Luke was 19 years old and he was born when the empire took over.

No, it was more like asking what Patton, Rommel and McArthur had been up to 19 years after WWII when almost everyone around was still alive to remember and talk about it.

27 Years in Ahsoka, Empire ruled for 22 pre endor another year post Endor.

 

[Hussar]

Luke wasn't 27 and all the lies an obfuscation won't end people who were around for the Old Republic and jedi, which was nearly the whole galaxy. There were still millions of people who had first hand accounts and could talk. Luke was 19 years old and he was born when the empire took over.

No, it was more like asking what Patton, Rommel and McArthur had been up to 19 years after WWII when almost everyone around was still alive to remember and talk about it.

Name three Russian generals from WW2.

The Russians were at least as instrumental as Patton or McArthur in the war effort. Can you name three? See that’s how information gets “lost” due to politics.

Hell. How about three Italian generals? Or Japanese?

I mean, surely they are every bit as instrumental in the war as Rommel.

 

[Maxperson]

Name three Russian generals from WW2.

The Russians were at least as instrumental as Patton or McArthur in the war effort. Can you name three? See that’s how information gets “lost” due to politics.

Hell. How about three Italian generals? Or Japanese?

I mean, surely they are every bit as instrumental in the war as Rommel.

So here's the thing. I know about those generals, even if I've forgotten their name. So I'm well aware of a ton of Jedi(generals) that were around during WWII, despite those politics you mentions. And that's 80 years later.

In Star Wars we're talking 27 years later and people will still have tons of first had experience hearing about them nearly every day. Further there are many long lived races, tons and tons of videos that worlds would have watched Jedi doing Jedi things on. People don't forget that fast. They just don't.

 

[Morrus]

Name three Russian generals from WW2.

The Russians were at least as instrumental as Patton or McArthur in the war effort. Can you name three? See that’s how information gets “lost” due to politics.

Hell. How about three Italian generals? Or Japanese?

I mean, surely they are every bit as instrumental in the war as Rommel.

Well, (a) WW2 was 80 years ago, not 19 years ago like the Clone Wars were, so people would literally remember them and seen them on TV and talked about them; and (b) you don't have to remember their individual names to know that Nazi generals existed. Curious why you chose Russian specifically, as Himmler, Goebbels, etc. are pretty well known, and you named Rommel yourself; casually ignoring the category of 'people you've heard of' certainly helps to establish a narrative that somebody hasn't heard of anybody.

 

[Zaukrie]

Well, (a) WW2 was 80 years ago, not 19 years ago like the Clone Wars were, so people would literally remember them and seen them on TV and talked about them; and (b) you don't have to remember their individual names to know that Nazi generals existed. Curious why you chose Russian specifically, as Himmler, Goebbels, etc. are pretty well known, and you named Rommel yourself; casually ignoring the category of 'people you've heard of' certainly helps to establish a narrative that somebody hasn't heard of anybody.

There also weren't video cameras everywhere. The point isn't to know Jedi names.... It's to know they exist and something about them. Magic wielding protectors who fly all over and do stuff would be daily news stories.

 

[Morrus]

There also weren't video cameras everywhere. The point isn't to know Jedi names.... It's to know they exist and something about them. Magic wielding protectors who fly all over and do stuff would be daily news stories.

I mean, Han Solo was, what, in his mid 30s? He'd remember them being around 19 years ago. As would everybody else older than, say, age 10. I definitely remember things that happened 19 years ago. Some of them I wish I didn't, but hey.