Ahsoka - SPOILERS

pukunui

Legend
You know, her leaving her helmet behind might be a symbolic casting off of the Mandalorian ways on the way to embracing the Jedi ways, dark or otherwise.
Why would they make a point of showing her redonning her armor (including cutting her hair to fit her helmet better) if they were then going to have her cast it off again?
 

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It was neat to see the flashbacks . . . but they kinda amounted to a bunch of cameos, didn't they? There was no real point. Oh, do you choose to live or die? Well, she didn't really seem like she was even considering the die option, so it's not like anything in the visions affected her.

She just up and says, "Yo, I'mma live," and Anakin is cool with it, whereas he wasn't a few minutes earlier. Seemed pretty arbitrary.

I dunno, it might have been nice to have some sort of mention of the whole "yo, you turned evil, but then you turned good for your son whom you barely knew, but when I tried to save you in season 2 of Rebels, you didn't give a naughty word" dynamic.

I'm still waiting for Ahsoka to have some emotions. Like, let her be Angry at Anakin. Maybe make the point of the spirit visit that she needs to process her anger so she won't be emotionally repressed in the present.

Also, c'mon, stop spinning in circles and exposing your back in combat. THAT could have been the lesson!
 


Hussar

Legend
Live or die wasn’t Ahsoka. It was Anakin. Would she kill Anakin? Or would she accept and learn from the past?

After all, she could have killed Anakin/Vader the first time around and saved how many lives? She could have stayed with Anakin and maybe stopped him.

This is all about the huge amount of survivors guilt Ahsoka is suffering from.

Is she just a killer? Or is she more?

Live or die never meant her.
 

billd91

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Mostly the best and most interesting episode of the series yet. I‘m still disappointed with some of the performances though. I don’t think some of the supporting actors are bad, but their performances feel like they‘re amateurs. I feel the same way when watching Hallmark shows - people who are seasoned professionals delivering their lines like they’re in high school performances. And I’m trying to figure out why we’re seeing some of that here when we really didn’t with a better show like Andor.
 

Now that some of it has sunk it, it was painful to watch the young Ahsoka being part of the Siege of Mandalore and cutting them all down. I don't know how much of this was shown previously in Clone Wars, but if this were general knowledge, I don't see how Sabine could ever be her friend or how Din could ever work with her or even be around her.
 

pukunui

Legend
Yay! I'm glad to see someone recovered Sabine's helmet.

It was fun seeing Clone Wars-era Ahsoka in live action! Did anyone catch who played her? (I'd love to see more live action Clone Wars.)

She finally remembered she has two lightsabers!

Disappointing we got no mention of Mortis or the Daughter. It's clear Filoni hasn't forgotten, since he included cameos of Morai in both Rebels and The Mandalorian. It would've been nice if Ahsoka had seen Morai flying overhead when she first woke up in the World Between Worlds even ... after all, it was Morai who led Ezra to the right portal to rescue Ahsoka when he first discovered the World Between Worlds. Ah well ...

Let's hope we see both Thrawn and Ezra next episode.

Live action Chopper has been criminally under-used so far in this series. I suppose there's a limit to how much craziness you can get a droid to do in live action vs animation but still ...

Live or die wasn’t Ahsoka. It was Anakin. Would she kill Anakin? Or would she accept and learn from the past?

After all, she could have killed Anakin/Vader the first time around and saved how many lives? She could have stayed with Anakin and maybe stopped him.

This is all about the huge amount of survivors guilt Ahsoka is suffering from.

Is she just a killer? Or is she more?

Live or die never meant her.
Hmm. Interesting food for thought. I have to admit I was a bit stumped as to the point of that whole sequence, but you might be right.

It seems that both Ahsoka and Sabine are carrying a lot of guilt and trauma.

Now that some of it has sunk it, it was painful to watch the young Ahsoka being part of the Siege of Mandalore and cutting them all down. I don't know how much of this was shown previously in Clone Wars, but if this were general knowledge, I don't see how Sabine could ever be her friend or how Din could ever work with her or even be around her.
I take it you haven't watched those episodes of the Clone Wars? The Siege of Mandalore was where the Republic and the free Mandalorians under Bo-Katan fought to liberate the planet from Maul* and his loyalists, many of whom were from Clan Saxon (and later became the planet's Imperial puppet masters). So the Mandalorians you saw Ahsoka killing were Maul's troops (you can tell because of the Zabrak horns on their helmets).

Given that Sabine later fought a member of Clan Saxon herself, I doubt she'd take issue with Ahsoka's actions at the end of the Clone Wars. Nor would Din.



*Maul took over Mandalore and turned it into the center of his criminal empire after killing both Pre Vizsla (Bo-Katan's former boss) and Duchess Satine Kryze (Bo-Katan's sister).
 
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It was fun seeing Clone Wars-era Ahsoka in live action! Did anyone catch who played her? (I'd love to see more live action Clone Wars.)

Young Gamora played young Ahsoka. Ariana Greenblatt


I take it you haven't watched those episodes of the Clone Wars? The Siege of Mandalore was where the Republic and the free Mandalorians under Bo-Katan fought to liberate the planet from Maul* and his loyalists, many of whom were from Clan Saxon (and later became the planet's Imperial puppet masters). So the Mandalorians you saw Ahsoka killing were Maul's troops (you can tell because of the Zabrak horns on their helmets).

Given that Sabine later fought a member of Clan Saxon herself, I doubt she'd take issue with Ahsoka's actions at the end of the Clone Wars. Nor would Din.

I have watched very little of Clone Wars, but read up on some of what happened during the show. Something about the animation style just turned me off from it or maybe I had not interest in watching prequel-set stuff, since I did not like them much. I have watched all of Rebels and Bad Batch, though.
 

pukunui

Legend
Young Gamora played young Ahsoka. Ariana Greenblatt
Cool.

I have watched very little of Clone Wars, but read up on some of what happened during the show. Something about the animation style just turned me off from it or maybe I had not interest in watching prequel-set stuff, since I did not like them much. I have watched all of Rebels and Bad Batch, though.
Fair enough. Disney+ currently has an "Ahsoka Tano Essential Episodes" collection, which looks to be a chronological look-back through the Clone Wars and Rebels plus her Mandalorian and Boba Fett appearances. It includes the Siege of Mandalore CW episodes.

(I note that it does not include the CW movie, in which Ahsoka was first introduced. I know a lot of people like to pan it as a bad movie, but if you consider that it was originally just three episodes of the show edited into a feature-length intro, it works just fine.)
 
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Hussar

Legend
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Hmm. Interesting food for thought. I have to admit I was a bit stumped as to the point of that whole sequence, but you might be right.

It seems that both Ahsoka and Sabine are carrying a lot of guilt and trauma.
Oh yeah. I'm actually a bit reminded of the first season of new Doctor Who - with Chris Ecclesten (sp). The Doctor, normally kind of a bouncy, cheerful, almost silly sometimes character became this really PTSD driven character that was very different from what came before. Particularly in the episode Dalek. Fantastic stuff.

When you step back a bit and think about Ahsoka's life, it really is horrific. Child soldier conscripted into a war at, what, ten, eleven years old? Fights in the war on the front lines. Then her Master/Father figure, who she abandoned, turns into the biggest monster of all. And he taught her all she knows. The line that young Ahsoka gives about teaching a padawan is spot on. If Anakin became this horrible monster, and he's the one that taught Ahsoka, what does that make Ahsoka?

There's a huge amount of character growth going on here. Is Ahsoka her own person, or is she Darth Vader's padawan? That's gotta be a huge head trip for anyone.
 

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