Ahsoka - SPOILERS

[Paul Farquhar]

How do you know these are illegal orders in the New Republic? Or that that is how the chain of command works? It's not the US, or the UK. I don't think we can automatically project our own laws and systems onto it and declare them fact.

It's pretty clear that the New Republic is not at all legalistic, and judges by the outcome. Did you do good? That's okay. Did you do bad? You are in trouble. But for the benefit of those in it's ranks who insist on legalism, then "the head of the military says it's okay" is sufficient. Ergo, the chief's orders are sufficient to make it legal, and those orders apply retroactively.

But the original orders where issued by someone who does not even have a military rank. It seems unlikely they would be legal. But the New Republic is okay with it so long as those orders are good orders - they aren't too bothered about the letter of the law.

 

[Paul Farquhar]

Oddly, it's probably most interesting if that is never actually revealed.

It looks very much like the New Republic is just unavoidably doomed from its inception - in order to run a Galaxy-spanning government they need to absorb much of the Imperial bureaucracy, which itself was absorbed from the Old Republic... and that was manifestly (and deliberately) corrupted. So they've got a vast number of people who are actively working for the Empire in various ways, you've got another big slice who happily shifted their loyalties at least once (and would do so again), you've got a load of people who just want the constant turmoil to be over, and that's before you get the huge number of apathetic, incompetent, and pettily self-serving individuals.

And, actually, I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out the New Republic were still running those very same prisons we saw in Andor, with nobody ever really being released - it's quite possible that nobody has gotten around to noticing them, never mind getting them closed.

Yes, it's likely we are seeing the collapse of centralised galactic government.

A victory for the Separatists, a galactic dark age, and probably inevitable even before Palpatine. Still, there is always Harry Seldon and the Foundation...

 

[Morrus]

It's pretty clear that the New Republic is not at all legalistic, and judges by the outcome. Did you do good? That's okay. Did you do bad? You are in trouble. But for the benefit of those in it's ranks who insist on legalism, then "the head of the military says it's okay" is sufficient. Ergo, the chief's orders are sufficient to make it legal, and those orders apply retroactively.

But the original orders where issued by someone who does not even have a military rank. It seems unlikely they would be legal. But the New Republic is okay with it so long as those orders are good orders - they aren't too bothered about the letter of the law.

Well clearly that is legal in the New Republic, as demonstrated in the show. I don’t understand why you’re claiming to know the ‘letter of’ NR law better the writers do, given that they’re the ones who decide what the law is.

 

[Clint_L]

I’ve invested enough time that I should probably finish the series, but this discussion is not filling me with anticipation, and I had to really sell to get my spouse to watch the last two (their opinion is that nothing in it makes sense and they have no reason to care about any of the characters; they completely tuned out when Hera brought her kid with her on the illegal and super dangerous mission).

 

[Maxperson]

Not quite the same thing. Again, you've got a general who disobeys a direct order, takes several other pilots with her, brings her own child into a potential battlezone, gets several of those pilots killed as a direct result of her disobeying orders and we're calling this good decision making?

Yes. We are supposed to call that good decision making. People die in war. Without her good decision to go anyway, there was next to no chance to stop Thrawn's return. With her arrival they had a shot. That it didn't work out doesn't make it a bad decision. It makes it a good decision that didn't work out.

 

[pukunui]

While I’m curious to know what Baylan is searching for, he obviously fails in his mission to end the cycle since we still have Jedi vs Sith, good vs evil, freedom vs tyranny, etc in the sequel trilogy.

 

[doctorbadwolf]

While I’m curious to know what Baylan is searching for, he obviously fails in his mission to end the cycle since we still have Jedi vs Sith, good vs evil, freedom vs tyranny, etc in the sequel trilogy.

Eh hopefully the point of his story isn’t whether he succeeds, but rather what he learns and/or shows the protagonists.

 

[Zardnaar]

Eh hopefully the point of his story isn’t whether he succeeds, but rather what he learns and/or shows the protagonists.

There's various ways they can go with it.

The entity calling him could be comparatively minor or cosmic dark side evil force God.


They can wheel it out anytime either Ahsoka, next Rey movie or timeskip to a "legacy" era.

 

[Maxperson]

It's pretty clear that the New Republic is not at all legalistic, and judges by the outcome. Did you do good? That's okay. Did you do bad? You are in trouble. But for the benefit of those in it's ranks who insist on legalism, then "the head of the military says it's okay" is sufficient. Ergo, the chief's orders are sufficient to make it legal, and those orders apply retroactively.

But the original orders where issued by someone who does not even have a military rank. It seems unlikely they would be legal. But the New Republic is okay with it so long as those orders are good orders - they aren't too bothered about the letter of the law.

It also came across from Leia's response that the senator that forbade the general from going overstepped and broke rules/protocol by not informing her when he did it. Had he done so, Leia would surely, as head of the Republic Defense Department(or whatever similar title she used) overrode him and ordered Hera to go, and probably with a great deal more firepower.

As for those wondering if the senator is imperial or just incompetent, they made it seem like he was a suspicious character during that exchange. Further, they've been pushing the "imperials infiltrating at all levels" for a long time and in multiple series. I think he's imperial.

 

[Zaukrie]

While I’m curious to know what Baylan is searching for, he obviously fails in his mission to end the cycle since we still have Jedi vs Sith, good vs evil, freedom vs tyranny, etc in the sequel trilogy.

I really wish this would be interesting, but I'm not holding my breath given the future