D&D 5E Am I no longer WoTC's target audience?

[Urriak Uruk]

well that’s because drow in some settings were looked upon the same way as a beholder. It just depends where a critter is in the game. Basically the same as Daleks and demons. We really don’t negotiate with them unless we are desperate and they will probaly backstab and cheat you the first chance they get.

I mean, sure they're sometimes viewed as bad as beholders, but practically they're not. Beholders are spawn created from space that are essentially Lovecraftian horrors. Drow are evil because of their culture; if I found a drow baby and raised it as my own with good values, it probably wouldn't become evil. Can't say the same as a beholder (also beholders can't even be "babies").

I'm pretty open to letting people play things though. I had someone play a succubus once, that was pretty wild.

 

[hawkeyefan]

Part of the appeal of having a type is the ability to play against it.

I mean, I haven’t read a Drizzt novel in some time, but his family and their cohorts were pretty horrible people. If anything, Drizzt’s outlook seemed to accentuate it.

That are so many monolithically evil creatures in D&D that I really can’t see the big deal about having drow as PCs.

 

[Urriak Uruk]

Part of the appeal of having a type is the ability to play against it.

I mean, I haven’t read a Drizzt novel in some time, but his family and their cohorts were pretty horrible people. If anything, Drizzt’s outlook seemed to accentuate it.

That are so many monolithically evil creatures in D&D that I really can’t see the big deal about having drow as PCs.

Sometimes, it's fun to even play with type, as long as everyone is on-board with it. One one-shot idea I have brewing now is one where all my PCs play a different giant type, and are united trying to find the lost giant capitol of Astoria. Everything would be scaled up in scale (so something huge is actually medium, medium is tiny, gargantuan is large, etc.)

 

[LuisCarlos17f]

In my setting the drow rulers are evil, but ordinary people haven't to be like this. The cult of the evil deities are losing followers citizies notice loyalty is for true leaders and not for toxic bosses. Lots of citizens are corveting to a new religion, the cult of Aigonz (God), the believers are Iunehkal ( = disciples) and the preachers are sonziz (apostles). Drows are very powerful, but they wast a lot of time and recourses with their stupid internal conflicts, too busy with their game of thrones. Then some drow (undeground) communities are allowed to be near other humanoids because they have sincerely rejected the evil deities and now they respect the ethical values of the Natural Law (and their are the first line of the defense against other hostile groups). Of course among these drows there are secret lodges who want to recover the old cults and to destroy this "new" faith, and their propaganda war against this mercyful but misunderstood religion is too successful.

 

[Zardnaar]

The idea that a setting is S&S and yet can't handle tieflings is strange to me. As far as dragonborn are concerned, the setting already has Greyhawk dragons, lizard folk, bullywugs in the Vast Swamp, etc. How is it not able to handle dragonborn?

(In other words, we're in full agreement on this. And on the strange projections onto Greyhawk being made by some posters.)

It's not that it can't but should

Drow for example exist on Greyhawk, so do Cambions so Tieflings aren't a huge leap.

Should they be allowed as pkayer races though? Tieflings for example make sense in planescape.

I might Allie a Drow i Tiefling on Greyhawk but they would have to be careful and a high charisma or disguise would help

Dragonborn are right out along with anything that's not done form of human blooded. Goblins exist but not available as a PC race, I don't mind goblin OCs on other settings though.

A party of a Drow, Tiefling, Dragonborn, Half Orc, Lizardman and Goblin for example probably wouldn't go over well on Greyhawk or Ravenloft and I wouldn't allow it in any event.
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[Anoth]

It's not that it can't but should

Drow for example exist on Greyhawk, so do Cambions so Tieflings aren't a huge leap.

Should they be allowed as pkayer races though? Tieflings for example make sense in planescape.

Tieflings will exist anywhere that fiends interbreed with humans. And personally some may not even know they are a tiefling because it happened so many generations ago. One tiefling may not even look like another. Imho, lore can vary from setting to setting.

 

[Zardnaar]

Tieflings will exist anywhere that fiends interbreed with humans. And personally some may not even know they are a tiefling because it happened so many generations ago. One tiefling may not even look like another. Imho, lore can vary from setting to setting.

As I said it's not that they don't exist but should PCs get to play them.

 

[Urriak Uruk]

It's not that it can't but should

Drow for example exist on Greyhawk, so do Cambions so Tieflings aren't a huge leap.

Should they be allowed as pkayer races though? Tieflings for example make sense in planescape.

I might Allie a Drow i Tiefling on Greyhawk but they would have to be careful and a high charisma or disguise would help

Dragonborn are right out along with anything that's not done form of human blooded. Goblins exist but not available as a PC race, I don't mind goblin OCs on other settings though.
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I've evolved on this. My answer to this is largely, "why not?" As long as the players are having good justifications for why the party is able to function with characters that are tieflings, I don't see the problem.

Ghosts of Saltmarsh is pretty much evidence that all of 5E's PHB races exist on Greyhawk (Tieflings exist in Iuz, we don't know where dragonborn are from or how they got there, but they are). So I don't see the problem with allowing them.

Of course, if you're going for a classic feel to emulate earlier editions, you can totally not allow them at your table, but it looks like 5E is allowing all the races as options for people.

 

[generic]

As I said it's not that they don't exist but should PCs get to play them.

Yes, yes they should. Should being a Tiefling be your defining character trait? I hope not, but, they're certainly interesting.

 

[hawkeyefan]

It's not that it can't but should

Drow for example exist on Greyhawk, so do Cambions so Tieflings aren't a huge leap.

Should they be allowed as pkayer races though? Tieflings for example make sense in planescape.

I might Allie a Drow i Tiefling on Greyhawk but they would have to be careful and a high charisma or disguise would help

Dragonborn are right out along with anything that's not done form of human blooded. Goblins exist but not available as a PC race, I don't mind goblin OCs on other settings though.

A party of a Drow, Tiefling, Dragonborn, Half Orc, Lizardman and Goblin for example probably wouldn't go over well on Greyhawk or Ravenloft and I wouldn't allow it in any event.
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It sounds like you’d have an interesting party there, with a strong hook. I feel like that would be a very fun game, and would stand out from all the humans and elves and dwarves parties out there.

But who wants each campaign to feel distinct?