Ambiguously Gendered Child of "What is the Hivemind?"

[Rystil Arden]

when 3.0 came out we gamesd like 16 hours a weekend minimium, and many times we gamed about 30 hours. those were the days.....

Yeah, we gamed soooo much...just no bards. 3.0 bards were well below par, after the first level they were barely better than Adepts really...

 

[Evilhalfling]

I never played a bard in my 15+ years of gaming and still find no desire to do so.

well In 3.0 the parties long term sucessful bard was a bard 2/rogue5?/ Shadowdancer
he had all the musical power of a straight bard - but only twice a day.

in 3.5 the Sublime Cord really adds power back in - up to 8th lvl spells. an NPC in a Famous Dragonslayer group has taken this route.

 

[megamania]

Not sure I would compare them to Adepts but they did seem weaker as a class. I always thought of Bards as a roleplaying experience only. Since I lack any sort of charisma it would be disasterous for me to play one.

 

[Crothian]

Yeah, we gamed soooo much...just no bards. 3.0 bards were well below par, after the first level they were barely better than Adepts really...

then you failed to see their potential and be creative with their spells, I drove the DM crazy with my bard illusions and little tricks. I droive the captain of a ship crazy, too. I made the floorbaords talk to him when he was alone, gosh that was fun.

 

[Crothian]

Not sure I would compare them to Adepts but they did seem weaker as a class. I always thought of Bards as a roleplaying experience only. Since I lack any sort of charisma it would be disasterous for me to play one.

all the classes are role playing, you just have to convince yourslef of that. And I have the charisma of a toaster, trust me all the girls agree.

 

[Evilhalfling]

But...but...but...why do you need proficiency in the light armour with the psion? I play psions all the time, and I either bite the bullet and ignore the penalty (and maybe wear full plate and tower shield!), get mithral, or just use Inertial Armour

Too many touch attack powers - and those 1st level power slots are important. It may have been from a Blue dominated goblin lair - I think the lair had 9 psions - and a psioinc dire wolf (with blue dyed fur to match the leader) not much mithal but lots of leather studded with blue crystals. Yes I am sure thats where it was from.

 

[megamania]

then you failed to see their potential and be creative with their spells, I drove the DM crazy with my bard illusions and little tricks. I droive the captain of a ship crazy, too. I made the floorbaords talk to him when he was alone, gosh that was fun.

as a DM I have driven many a Player's PC crazy with stuff like that. Eberron's Quori are soooo much fun.

 

[Rystil Arden]

then you failed to see their potential and be creative with their spells, I drove the DM crazy with my bard illusions and little tricks. I droive the captain of a ship crazy, too. I made the floorbaords talk to him when he was alone, gosh that was fun.

If you wanted to do that, you could with an Illusionist...or even an Adept. Its not that 3.0 Bards couldn't do anything, its that they couldn't do anything with a level of competence comparable to anybody else except skill around, and Rogues were still much better at that...

 

[Evilhalfling]

I made the floorboards talk to him when he was alone, gosh that was fun.

yoink.

 

[megamania]

all the classes are role playing, you just have to convince yourslef of that. And I have the charisma of a toaster, trust me all the girls agree.

At least the girls stuck around long enough to agree for you. I am going on a tangent...oh yeah- this is Hivemind. It is a tangent