Anakin's path to darkness too steep! (SPOILERS)

Brother Shatterstone said:
My only darn complaint is that after viewing it three times at the theater I want to see it again and I still haven’t figure out what Padmé says at the very end…
I know how you feel. The first time I saw Return of the Jedi, I could not for the life of me figure out what Yoda was trying to say just before he died. Given that he says something pretty damn important, I felt like I missed out on a big revelation.

I know it's dramatic for people to gasp out a final message as they die, but can't they speak more clearly while doing so? Sheesh.
 

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I think Obi-Wan in EP IV tells Luke the Force does partially control you, but you can direct it as well. So the Force creating Anakin to be an antibody that will rid it of the cancer that is the Sith is ok with me. Or maybe it was a Sith conspiracy. Qui-Gon and others were always talking about listening to the living Force, and let the Force guide you and other stuff like that.
 

Joshua Randall said:
I know how you feel. The first time I saw Return of the Jedi, I could not for the life of me figure out what Yoda was trying to say just before he died. Given that he says something pretty damn important, I felt like I missed out on a big revelation.

Yeah but it is revealed a few seconds later.... (If I remember correctly) While what Padmé says isn't even mentioned again. :(

Of course I could be wrong… I still have no clue what she was trying to say. :lol:

Joshua Randall said:
I know it's dramatic for people to gasp out a final message as they die, but can't they speak more clearly while doing so? Sheesh.

First showing I saw, midnight showing, everyone in my area of the theater turned to look at each other and everyone just had to shrug... So yeah she could/should have spoken more clearly.
 

Trickstergod said:
Many people find the virgin birth thing obnoxious at the very least, sacriligeous at worst.
That is spoken in ignorance of the pervasiveness of virgin and otherwise "special" births throughout mythology and most religions. If a virgin birth other than Christ's is sacriligeous, than we need to ban a lot of books fast.

As for Anakin being inherently evil, it makes his fall make much more sense and makes his redemption all that more the powerful. The circumstances behind his redemption are plausible and an inherent tendency to evil gives his throwing it off all that stronger of a message about ideals overcoming nature.
No, it makes his redemption inexplicable to my mind. If he's inherently evil and really only wants Luke with him to further his own power, why do what he did when Luke proved "inferior"? It makes a LOT more sense that Luke's actions brought to mind his own youth, Padme, and all that he was before the Clone Wars and his fall. That combined with yet again witnessing the true depths of Palpatine's dedication to people (and thereby the true selfishness of the Dark Side that Anakin seemed to be ignoring in Ep. III) is more than enough break through to the core of goodness in a person gone wrong, but doesn't seem enough to seed it on infertile ground. YMMV, of course.
 

Brother Shatterstone said:
First showing I saw, midnight showing, everyone in my area of the theater turned to look at each other and everyone just had to shrug... So yeah she could/should have spoken more clearly.

Everytime I've seen it, everyone seemed to understand it. It took me a moment at first, but it wasn't as raspy or quiet as Yoda's last words were. And if you do want to know what she said, BS, I posted it up some in this thread. :)
 

My fiancee and I have concluded that the real reason for Anakin's descent into evil was because everyone kept calling him "young Jedi" or "young apprentice" or "my young friend". Heck, even his own -wife- called him 'Ani'!!


That's enough to drive anyone to the Dark Side. :p
 

Ankh-Morpork Guard said:
Everytime I've seen it, everyone seemed to understand it. It took me a moment at first, but it wasn't as raspy or quiet as Yoda's last words were. And if you do want to know what she said, BS, I posted it up some in this thread. :)

The other two showings seem to have done better at understanding her… and cool somehow I missed your post. :)
 

Quick hijack... I know the "quote" button is handy, but if someone posts something that's multiple paragraphs long, say more than 5 paragraphs, and you just want to put "Very well stated," can you please snip the quote, instead of quoting the guy's 10 paragraphs right below where he just posted it? I don't want to scroll through it all after I just read through it. Thank you *bow*

Anyway...

There may be reasons for her (Shmi) to stay in slavery, but I'm unconvinced

Why DID Obi-Wan leave Shmi behind? When she'd specifically told him that Anakin was a virgin birth? And Obi-Wan sensed such promise in the child? And if Anakin loved his mother so much, why didn't he get some money and go back and buy her from the little blue flying guy? Why didn't he just TAKE her once he gained some power? I've thought that was odd since I first saw Episode I, that the poor lady gave birth to the kid then got forgotten...
 

Hijinks said:
Why DID Obi-Wan leave Shmi behind? When she'd specifically told him that Anakin was a virgin birth? And Obi-Wan sensed such promise in the child? And if Anakin loved his mother so much, why didn't he get some money and go back and buy her from the little blue flying guy? Why didn't he just TAKE her once he gained some power? I've thought that was odd since I first saw Episode I, that the poor lady gave birth to the kid then got forgotten...

Obi-Wan never once encountered Shmi at all. Qui-Gon was the one who met her...and he left her behind because getting into trouble with the Hutts was not a good thing to do when the Queen was already being hunted. If they'd been found out, the Hutts wouldn't hesitate selling them all back to the Trade Federation.

As for why they didn't go back...they had to go to Naboo and keep the Queen safe. Not only that, but Qui-Gon DIED, so any realy motivation of going back to get her was left with Anakin. And even then, his mother told him not to look back. He didn't...at least not until he started having those dreams around AotC.
 

Yeah my bad, was Qui-gon not Obi-wan.


I find it extremely hard to see any good qualities in Anakin's character, even when he was a child, if he was that eager to run off and leave mom behind without a look back. Folks here in this thread have stated that he was afraid to leave his mother's side, but then he never thinks of her again in ten years or so? Peculiar.
 

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