Angel 02/11 Spoilers

[Henry]

IceBear -- even if it's true, please don't tell me that Angel's ending. With Buffy in the toilet, Firefly cancelled, and Enterprise just plain sucking... it's all I have left.

Well, on the good side, think of all that productive time you'll be gaining to work on other things!

....Yeah, who am I kidding? That would suck.

 

[John Crichton]

Wouldn't go that far. TV shows are only taped a few weeks in advance, maybe a month and change.

Exactly. If she is due in March (I assumed about a month from now) then she is about 8 months in. If you take in to account the amount of CG that is in the shows (while not a ton, takes some time to do) would add some time to the schedule. So using the month as a guideline, the planned TV delay of the holiday season would potentially put the tape date about 2 months ago. I don't think I was that far off the mark.

Back to the show talk...

 

[stevelabny]

some people have been saying that cordelia has been acting wonky since she came back.
sleeping with her "son" is a definite sign that something was up.
and i wasnt buying that something was up with her until she called "angel" "obi-wan" before letting him out of the cage.
this is supposed to be CORDELIA.
she doesnt make star wars references.
(everyone else on these 2 shows does)

and maybe its just me, but im actually HOPING that angel and buffy have a connectiont his season, a big crossover is had between them...and they both end. go out in style.

and i dont need a spinoff either, i'd rather have movies.

steve

 

[Jemal]

That wasn't foreshadowed at all. It was just a random swerve. She hasn't been evil as long as she's been back, because she has had visions which helped them. Hasn't she?

I remember her having the vision about Angelus and the beast. That's the only one I remember. She could have been faking the whole time.

This is like Giles being the First, only worse. Because with Giles we had a clue the whole time. This was sudden, so now I'm trying to remember old episodes in my head, looking for hints.

The thing is, Giles turned out NOT to be the first (As I predicted). It WAS pretty humourous, however, when they all jumped him out in the desert "TOUCH HIM TOUCH HIM!!!" *L*
What would they have done if they'd gone through him?
*Thud* "OW that's not him, that's me.. BAD TOUCH BAD TOUCH!"

As to the visions and Cordy being evil, I don't think she was evil all along, but I figured out something was up with her when she had the vision and it didn't show any of it. Usually they show some of her vision, but when they didn't things started to click, especially after the whole "There's a bigger evil" thing.

Also, I'm wondering.. Does anyone else think that with the FIRST running around in Sunnydale and this happening in L.A. maybe its connected? I mean, it'd be an awful big coincidence (Even for TV) if these two ancient evils suddenly both arrive around the same time in two different spots...
Maybe Cordy's not really evil, but the baby in her (If she is pregnant on-show) makes her succeptible to the First taking control or something?

I been waiting for a while for a buffy/angel crossover, I love them. Also, with the first trying to kill all the slayers/potentials wouldn't it be going after Faith, too? And she'll be on ANGEL in 3 weeks..

Things are so complicated in my little world.

 

[stevelabny]

exactly.
the "potentials" dont matter if buffy dies, cuz shes not the "true" slayer.
its FAITH whos important.
always has been since the first evil started this potential-slayer killing spree.

my problem with the logic is that i thought that the beholder-looking demon said that the first was around because of something "the slayer did" . which would mean it was something faith did in the first place that stirred it up.

steve

 

[ToddSchumacher]

Some thoughts (Season 3 Spoilers)

I have this really pesky feeling that all this talk of the line of slayers running thru Faith has been a whole lot of smoke.

Really.

I've been watching a lot of my Buffy, and now Angel, DVDs and I seem to recall somebody mentioning a new slayer rising if Buffy dies, I think it was the Mayor who said it when Angel "turned bad" and they found out Faith was working with the Mayor. Combine that with Buffy saying it once this year (I think when Giles arrived in Sunnydale this season), So that would be twice it was mentioned in the serise that buffy would generate a slayer if she died.

It's been Joss and the writers telling us that the line runs through Faith...But it was the writers who said they weren't going to kill off Tara. Are the show's characters ignorant of how the powers of the slayer work, or are the writers putting up a screen so that the plot remains unspoiled and suprising?

What if another slayer that got called when buffy died the second time at the end of season 5, and the council either didn't know about it, or didn't bother telling anyone about it?

Is the fact that all these slayers are around at the same time the reason that there is a vulnerability in the line? Is there a reason there has been only one Slayer allowed at any given time?

 

[John Crichton]

prediction

I just had a thought...

Cordy is not evil nor is she pregnant. She is finishing the spell. It involves some kind of sacrifice. Lilah is it. That's why we didn't get to see the vision.

Or not.

 

[John Crichton]

Re: Some thoughts (Season 3 Spoilers)

What if another slayer that got called when buffy died the second time at the end of season 5, and the council either didn't know about it, or didn't bother telling anyone about it?

Is the fact that all these slayers are around at the same time the reason that there is a vulnerability in the line? Is there a reason there has been only one Slayer allowed at any given time?

Maybe. Although another slayer showing up would be somewhat repetitive. We'd already seen 3 and 2 are still around. It was shocking the first time and a pleasant surprise the second. Going to the well a third time just isn't Joss' style. I could be wrong.

There is no sure fire way that the show has given to find a slayer but it's been almost 2 years. I would think that the next slayer would have popped up by now if there was one.

And to tie this in to Angel, I would like to see the 2 shows interconnect storylines, but it's not needed. I'm sure Faith has something to do with all of this considering that The First is trying to end the Slayer line. It should be interesting to see how her role on Angel ties in to the current Buffy story.

 

[Jemal]

AS to the Faith/buffy thing -
If it runs through faith, then she's the only one important.
If it runs through EITHER slayer (Which is probably true) then that means there are currently 3 slayers.. Faith, Buffy, and whoever was called when buffy sacrificed herself to save Dawn.

Either way, the watchers wouldn't have had a clue how to deal with it.. This is the first time anything like this has happened in known history, more than one slayer. Therefore they wouldn't know what to look for.
Plus there's the fact that by season 5 they were basically out-of-touch with Buffy, and now they're allmost all dead (I think Giles, Wesley, and the one guy Giles saved are all thats left.. at least that we know of.)


As to the "Cordy's just finishing the spell" theory.. I HIGHLY doubt it. When Lilah said "He's going to kill us all" Cordy responded "Why do you think I let him out?" Why would she say something like that? PLUS there's the fact that she killed Lilah with the Beasts bone-knife (I recorded the show and freeze-framed both parts, and YES, it IS the same spike), meaning she MUST be the Big Bad behind the Beast). It just would make NO sense at all if THAT was how Angel gets his soul back.. No, It's gotta be something else that brings him back. I'm partial to the Willow version myself.. There've been rumors that she'll be on a few angel eps, and she's the one who put it back LAST time.
Either that or they'll find the crystal ball thingy.

 

[John Crichton]

As to the "Cordy's just finishing the spell" theory.. I HIGHLY doubt it. When Lilah said "He's going to kill us all" Cordy responded "Why do you think I let him out?" Why would she say something like that? PLUS there's the fact that she killed Lilah with the Beasts bone-knife (I recorded the show and freeze-framed both parts, and YES, it IS the same spike), meaning she MUST be the Big Bad behind the Beast). It just would make NO sense at all if THAT was how Angel gets his soul back.. No, It's gotta be something else that brings him back. I'm partial to the Willow version myself.. There've been rumors that she'll be on a few angel eps, and she's the one who put it back LAST time.
Either that or they'll find the crystal ball thingy.

Willow will make a cameo in one ep from what the news release said.

And I guess that punches a neat hole through my little theory. Well, it could still be part of the spell. Cordy and Lilah don't exactly have a good relationship and she wisecrack all the time anyway. As for the dagger..... well I have no answer for that. LOL

But seriously, she could be completing a spell, just that it doesn't have the same result as what she told everyone. The spell needed 7 tokens and seven people (one for each) for the spell to work properly. I think that has something to do with it. And I like the Willow thing but I'm thinking that either Fred or Wes knows the spell to put the soul back but they need his soul that is in the bottle to do it. Recall the mention of one of the key ingredients needed to cast it that was mentioned in the ep.