Angel 11-12-03 (SPOILERS INSIDE!)

[Mouseferatu]

[nitpick]

Faith and Wesley were in Buffy season 3, not 2.

[/nitpick]

And yes, Wes has changed dramatically since his days as a poor excuse for a Watcher. But the change has been gradual, very well written, and above all, believable. One of the single best character arcs of both series.

 

[Aulayan]

I see everything on the WB 22 hours later. This was splendid last year when there were many shows I watched, this year it's not so splendid, since nothing I watch is up against eachother.

And now, my cable is out due to Windstorms. If it's not fixed in 3 hours and 21 minutes, I shall miss Angel. And knowing Comcast...it won't be fixed for another 90 hours or so.

 

[el-remmen]

That said, this episode rocked my world. I liked the luchadores episode just as much, but it was a very different style; this was quintessential Angel at its best.

Daniel

Daniel, we got a thread abouts this episode over at the Rat Bastard public forums: here

 

[LightPhoenix]

I haven't seen this episode yet, but I'm guessing they were referring to Spike using the Buffybot as his sex toy for a while.

Buffybot? As in, a robot of Buffy? Sorry for asking clarification, but since I didn't watch any more than two or three episodes of Buffy, I really don't know anything about the last four or five seasons. I can name the major players, but that's about it.

 

[Mort]

Okay. A robot named Mr. Wesley Sr. sneaks into Wolfram and Hart, and their superspy security team has no idea.

More importantly, super robot ninjas land on the building's roof, and W&H security doesn't pick them up (or pick them off).

Are you seriously telling me it's never occurred to W&H, with their elite paramilitary defense team, that an attack on their HQ could come from the roof?

I don't buy it. This was, at least in part, an inside job. W&H is messing with the Ministers of Grace.

That said, this episode rocked my world. I liked the luchadores episode just as much, but it was a very different style; this was quintessential Angel at its best.

Did anyone else start laughing hysterically when dadbot got shot? I mean, I felt bad immediately afterward, but I was laughing my fool head off in a "Gah! Freak out!" kind of way.

Daniel

Didn't Angel kill the majority of the W&H security team in an earlier episode? Kind of hard to recruit people after that. ("uhh, you mean the last security sqaud was executed by the boss, sure I'll take the job.)

 

[danzig138]

Buffybot? As in, a robot of Buffy?

Yep, Buffybot = robot of Buffy. The following occurs in Season 5. Warren (bad guy in S6) built a female robot/love slave/girlfriend and then abandoned her. She came to Sunnydale looking for him, had some humorous moments (she threw Spike through a plate window for hitting on her), and died. This was a set-up for the following.
Spike commissioned a Buffy robot from Warren, so he could have his way with her, since the real Buffy was pretty unavailable at the time. Some good pseudo-sex scenes, Xander and Anya discovering Buffybot getting friendly with Spike in the cemetary, etc. Good stuff. Buffybot was very friendly and cheeful.
Glory captured Spike, and tortured him to find out who the Key was; despite her best efforts, he never broke. When Buffy found out that Glory had Spike, she and the Slayerettes went to go kill him before he could talk, and they took Buffybot with them. During the battle with Glory's mooks, Buffybot was severely damaged.
Eventually, Willow repaired Buffybot, and Buffybot played an important role in defeating Glory in the Gift.
I imagine that I didn't do the story justice, but hopefully, you have enough background for the joke now.

Edit: Happy Day! 250 posts!

 

[John Crichton]

I kind of find this hard to believe... at least, I figured she'd know, but I suppose it's possible. Certainly she just thinks of him as a good friend - consider the scene in the week(?) before at the party, in which they have a drunken conversation while trying to find Lorne's sleep. "We could be confidentes..." Poor Wes.

I don't. Some people just don't pay attention or don't want to admit something is happening.

Don't take this the wrong way, but have you seen any of John Woo's great action movies? (i.e. the ones from the 80s)

I've seen The Killer and I will be watching Hard Boiled on DVD soon. Yes, I understand that it's not Woo/Yun-Fat. It's television action done very well and certainly inspired by those gun-fu movies. And it was done well, in my opinion (and others here). Feel free to disagree.

That was[/i] really funny, as were the vampires' attempts to cheer Wes up. (I missed the punchline of Spike's line about sex with robots! Oops!) But who's Pavane? Was that the ghost guy in the previous episode who tried to kill him?

Yup.

I hope his ability to smack the robo-ninja that was strangling Gunn is a sign of things to come. If he and Angel could come to terms, he'd be an awfully effective scout and could occasionally hit people if he tried hard enough.

There are a ton of directions they can go with Spike. Great character. I'm betting he will be corporeal by season's end.

 

[John Crichton]

p.s. John would you drop in the "what are you reading thread and share your views on The Lone Drow, I'd like to know what you think of it without venturing into the spoiler thread.

I'm about halfway through it right now and will most likely finish it by the end of the weekend. I'll drop in and give a few of my thoughts. I like it so far...

 

[Hand of Evil]

Buffybot? As in, a robot of Buffy? Sorry for asking clarification, but since I didn't watch any more than two or three episodes of Buffy, I really don't know anything about the last four or five seasons. I can name the major players, but that's about it.

Warren built a robot girl friend, which he dumped, she hunted him down meeting Spike and Buffy. Later Spike went to Warren and had the Buffybot built to use for sex acts and play the adult version of Buffy the Vampire slayer. The bot was used to fight Glory and to keep the demons at bay after Buffy's death.

 

[Kahuna Burger]

Best Spike line in the entire damn thing : After "Wes's dad" recounts his prior meeting with spike (spike slaughtering innocents and a couple of watchers)

"Oh... So, how ya been?"

I just about died laughing, cause it was so Spike. Angel can spend all the time he wants brooding around and trying to atone for his sins and making the vampire him out to be a different person than the real him, but spike basically just integrated himself and moved on. Yeah, at one point he was a pathetic poet, and at another he was a souless killer, then he was still souless but restrained from killing by pain, then restrained by pain but also accepting the new way of living and almost building a soul, then shocked by getting his real soul back, and now he's just Spike. mmmm... Spike.....

Kahuna burger