Angel 11-12-03 (SPOILERS INSIDE!)

[LightPhoenix]

There are a ton of directions they can go with Spike. Great character. I'm betting he will be corporeal by season's end.

I'm betting it will be sooner than that. If I had to hazard a guess, I would say sometime in February, for sweeps. Otherwise, I would guess sometime around episode 12 or so. This was episode 7... I'd be really surprised if we don't see a reference to the Sanshu Prophecy again either in the next episode or the one after that.

 

[John Crichton]

I'm betting it will be sooner than that. If I had to hazard a guess, I would say sometime in February, for sweeps. Otherwise, I would guess sometime around episode 12 or so. This was episode 7... I'd be really surprised if we don't see a reference to the Sanshu Prophecy again either in the next episode or the one after that.

I agree. I didn't actually mean that it would be at the end of the season that he was be corporeal, I meant sometime during this season. All good.

 

[Wolf72]

This was definitely the best episode so far this season.

THAT is what Angel *should* be like -dark and full of tough choices - like choosing between shooting your father and or letting your companion be hurt - Twists on what you think has been happening all along, doubt about choices made in the past (Angel in regards to Connor) and love triangles.

It was great. Angel is always better at being darker - while Buffy did well with occasional comedic episodes - this spin-off does better when it stays darker longer.

Oh, and I assume the robo-ninjas will lead up to this season's Big Bad - and just to prove that this episode realy was good, Spike did not annoy the crap out of me like he has done lately. I still think he should have stayed dead though.

Word up Frog-man!

except that I really dig spike ... "hold on, I have to concentrate!"

 

[DanMcS]

Quality fun episode. Wesly being badass at the beginning of the episode ("Yes, thanks Wes, I'd like a gun." Hah.). Robot ninjas. Wesley's father being a psychopath and forcing Wesley to snap and gun him down. Spike quipping and then getting the heck off-camera. Quality all around.

The big bad for this season may be the Watchers. Those robots have been taking down demon operations around the country/world, right? They're working for good guys?

If it had really been Wesley's father, that would have been the ballgame, the Watchers are the antagonists. As-is, it's a bit ambiguous, but who would have the information to program that robot? Probably the Watchers.

Does Buffy know Angel is running Wolfram and Hart? Last time he was on her show, he gave her the amulet thing, but did he tell her where/how he got it? Last we heard, she was in Europe- perhaps reorganizing the watchers? Having Willow et al build some robots? Deciding to delegate responsibility for dealing with this "Wolfram and Hart" group to some reactivated Watchers who didn't completely fill her in on who was running the LA branch? Yeah, that's a little far-fetched, but I think it would be an excellent season finale that found Angel, Spike, and Wesley fighting their way through a crowd of ninja robots to find... Buffy.

 

[Tarrasque Wrangler]

The big bad for this season may be the Watchers. Those robots have been taking down demon operations around the country/world, right? They're working for good guys?

That leads to this question: what exactly did they want with Angel, that required A) Building a doppelganger of Wes's dad and programming it with his memories, B)the elaborate break-in of Wolfram & Hart, C) gaining access to the vaults to get that scepter, and D) luring Angel up to the roof for a helicoptor evac? They wanted him bad, didn't they?

I got me a hunch, and it ain't the Watchers. Let's see: VERY high-tech cyborgs. Mucking around with demons. Commando raids. Extensive use of psych profiling. Sound like the Initiative to anyone else?

 

[Pielorinho]

Didn't Angel kill the majority of the W&H security team in an earlier episode? Kind of hard to recruit people after that. ("uhh, you mean the last security sqaud was executed by the boss, sure I'll take the job.)

Nonsense: W&H has a long and respected tradition of bosses messily offing their employees. There's always other scumbags willing to do dirty deeds for cold cash.

And I don't think their security team was slaughtered by Angel; instead, he killed a bunch of their special ops forces. As far as we know, he's left building security alone.

Daniel

 

[Vocenoctum]

That leads to this question: what exactly did they want with Angel, that required A) Building a doppelganger of Wes's dad and programming it with his memories, B)the elaborate break-in of Wolfram & Hart, C) gaining access to the vaults to get that scepter, and D) luring Angel up to the roof for a helicoptor evac? They wanted him bad, didn't they?

When the scepter started, I really thought they were draining his soul. Would have been so much more fun

 

[Vocenoctum]

Nonsense: W&H has a long and respected tradition of bosses messily offing their employees. There's always other scumbags willing to do dirty deeds for cold cash.

And I don't think their security team was slaughtered by Angel; instead, he killed a bunch of their special ops forces. As far as we know, he's left building security alone.

Except he did trim out a bunch of evil folks. Also, it seems to be up to Angel and his guys to organize security.

Heck, how many times did Angel bust into W&H when it was evil? They probably figure the high cost of security would be better spent by just ressurecting the employee's that get butchered

 

[Tarrasque Wrangler]

When the scepter started, I really thought they were draining his soul. Would have been so much more fun

Heh. First words out of my lips when I saw that last night were "*groan* Not again." Happily, it was something else. Makes you wonder what other cool junk W&H have lying around in that vault though, doesn't it? Sword of Kas? Wand of Orcus? Gauntlets of Ogre Power?

 

[Vocenoctum]

The big bad for this season may be the Watchers. Those robots have been taking down demon operations around the country/world, right? They're working for good guys?

But, with all the Slayers being activated, do the Watchers really need cyborgs? Heck, aren't they supposed to Watch? I'd personally prefer if the Watchers as an organization stayed dead. There's plenty of mischief for rogue ex-watchers to cause.