Angel 11-12-03 (SPOILERS INSIDE!)

[CCamfield]

Yeah, to begin with I did think the sceptre was stealing Angel's soul. Angelus in charge of W&H? Ugh. But it would have been too soon after it happened last time.

P.S. John Crichton - I thought the action was good. For TV it's great! I was just objecting to you likening it to Max Payne rather than John Woo...

 

[John Crichton]

Yeah, to begin with I did think the sceptre was stealing Angel's soul. Angelus in charge of W&H? Ugh. But it would have been too soon after it happened last time.

Agreed. I was hoping that it wasn't a soul-sucker but that would have been pretty weak and it also wouldn't make much sense considering how hard it was to extract the soul the first time.

P.S. John Crichton - I thought the action was good. For TV it's great! I was just objecting to you likening it to Max Payne rather than John Woo...

Ah! I see what you meant now. My bad.

Payne was obviously influenced by Woo (who did it much better) but I figured that more folks know about Max Payne than Woo's Hong Kong films. Woo's films are popular but you'd be surprised at the amount of people who have no clue that he pretty much perfected the gun-fu genre. These are the same folks who thought Face/Off was his best film...

 

[DM_Matt]

Wasn't their talk at the end of "Chosen" that implied that some of the Scoobies (Giles, Dawn, and Willow?) would track down the rest of the slayers and refound the Watchers?

 

[Welverin]

After Wes made his little revelation to Fred at the end she definitely had the "I didn't know he dfelt that way" look on her face.

Makes you wonder what other cool junk W&H have lying around in that vault though, doesn't it? Sword of Kas? Wand of Orcus? Gauntlets of Ogre Power?

Hand and Eye of Vecna and or Piratecat.

I'm about halfway through it right now and will most likely finish it by the end of the weekend. I'll drop in and give a few of my thoughts. I like it so far...

Thanks

 

[LightPhoenix]

I got me a hunch, and it ain't the Watchers. Let's see: VERY high-tech cyborgs. Mucking around with demons. Commando raids. Extensive use of psych profiling. Sound like the Initiative to anyone else?

I take it the Initiative is another Buffy thing? I was flipping through channels and saw an episode with some really terrible para-military types, that them?

Quite honestly, I'll be really upset if it is. This is Angel we're watching, not Buffy. Spike I can tolerate and even learn to enjoy coming over to the show. Little in-jokes with Buffy I can tolerate, though not necessarily understand. But like today's episode, I still found the "sex with robots" line funny, because it was so out of left field.

But using Buffy's antagonists? I'm sorry, but that's the point I'd stop watching the show, because by that time it becomes obvious that they're just using Angel to satisfy all the fans who didn't want Buffy to end. I know the majority of viewers watch (well, watched) both shows. I know they both take place in the same world, and I know some cross-over is to be expected. That's fine, I accept that.

The thing is, Angel's writers took those characters, those histories, that mythos, and made them their own. They wrote their own stories based on it. And they made a substantially different show, in many ways. As a testament to that, there actually are a few of us that know very little about Buffy. We never watched it, for whatever reasons. By dragging all of this stuff from Buffy into Angel, you're undermining that by catering to an audience for a show that isn't the one you're working on.

It was my biggest fear going into this season, and I'm really hoping it doesn't pan out.

 

[Kid Charlemagne]

Yeah, I don't think it would be the Initiative. It's not like a whole lot of people are clamoring for them, anyway - although it might be fun to watch Angel and Riley beat the snot out of each other again.

I'd suspect that its another group entirely. The one thing that strikes me as odd is the fact that they seem to have such good info on Wesley; that leads me to wonder if the Watchers might in some way be involved, if they are any active ones left.

 

[uv23]

The Initialitive doesn't even exist anymore does it? After the whole cyborg/Riley storyline... not ot mention Sunnydale is a big crater.

 

[DanMcS]

The Initialitive doesn't even exist anymore does it? After the whole cyborg/Riley storyline... not ot mention Sunnydale is a big crater.

The intitiative pulled out of Sunnyday, but in season 6 of Buffy we saw Riley and his wife, who are apparently still fighting demons for the gov't. And in buffy 7 Buffy went to the initiative to have them remove Spike's chip. So they're still kicking. Good (or evil) government programs never really die, they just kill everyone that knew about them and change their name.

 

[BobROE]

The one thing that strikes me as odd is the fact that they seem to have such good info on Wesley; that leads me to wonder if the Watchers might in some way be involved, if they are any active ones left.

Perhaps a rogue group a watchers, that wouldn't have been killed with the other watchers.

 

[Vocenoctum]

But using Buffy's antagonists? I'm sorry, but that's the point I'd stop watching the show, because by that time it becomes obvious that they're just using Angel to satisfy all the fans who didn't want Buffy to end. I know the majority of viewers watch (well, watched) both shows. I know they both take place in the same world, and I know some cross-over is to be expected. That's fine, I accept that.

Heck, I stopped watching BUFFY because of the Initiative, if they port them to Angel, I'm out.