D&D General Another D&D pronunciation question - this one's for Grognards

[MarkB]

And when I say "for" Grognards, I actually mean "about". How do you pronounce "grognard"?

I've always mentally 'heard' it as being a very British English pronunciation, Grog-Nard. But when listening to a podcast recently, one of the presenters spoke it with a more continental pronunciation, i.e. Groan-Yard, pronouncing the "gn" much as in "Sauvignon".

According to Wikipedia the term's derivation is French, so I guess that is the more correct pronunciation, but as one of those terms I've only really encountered written down, it took me by surprise. How would you pronounce it?

 

[Snarf Zagyg]

And when I say "for" Grognards, I actually mean "about". How do you pronounce "grognard"?

I've always mentally 'heard' it as being a very British English pronunciation, Grog-Nard. But when listening to a podcast recently, one of the presenters spoke it with a more continental pronunciation, i.e. Groan-Yard, pronouncing the "gn" much as in "Sauvignon".

According to Wikipedia the term's derivation is French, so I guess that is the more correct pronunciation, but as one of those terms I've only really encountered written down, it took me by surprise. How would you pronounce it?

Grog (as in synonym for rum & water) ... nard (synonym for, um ... nevermind).

Emphasis on first syllable.

It comes from the French, but I've never heard it with the French pronunciation in reference to TTRPGs.

 

[Morrus]

I’ve heard both in common usage. I guess both are acceptable.

 

[Bacon Bits]

Merriam-Webster only lists it with a French pronunciation: \ (ˌ)grō¦nyär \

I've only ever heard it anglicized to \ˈɡräɡ-närd \ in actual use.

 

[Snarf Zagyg]

So bonus fun fact while I was trying to source this:

Bulette (the monster) is pronounces "boo-lay." I had a vague recollection of that, but was able to track it back to Dragon #1.

This is bugging me now. I am assuming that the first uses of it in wargaming pronounced it as in the French (given the familiarity), but by the time it was established (it was well-established enough by 1979 to be used without comment) I think it was used with the in the Anglicized way, generally.

In my neck of the woods, I never heard anyone referring to it using the French pronunciation, but ... well, that was hardly a surprise.

Hmmm. There has to be someone here that knows this?

 

[Morrus]

So bonus fun fact while I was trying to source this:

Bulette (the monster) is pronounces "boo-lay." I had a vague recollection of that, but was able to track it back to Dragon #1.

This is bugging me now. I am assuming that the first uses of it in wargaming pronounced it as in the French (given the familiarity), but by the time it was established (it was well-established enough by 1979 to be used without comment) I think it was used with the in the Anglicized way, generally.

In my neck of the woods, I never heard anyone referring to it using the French pronunciation, but ... well, that was hardly a surprise.

Hmmm. There has to be someone here that knows this?

I don’t have grognard I don’t think but I do have bullette.

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[MarkB]

So bonus fun fact while I was trying to source this:

Bulette (the monster) is pronounces "boo-lay." I had a vague recollection of that, but was able to track it back to Dragon #1.

This is bugging me now. I am assuming that the first uses of it in wargaming pronounced it as in the French (given the familiarity), but by the time it was established (it was well-established enough by 1979 to be used without comment) I think it was used with the in the Anglicized way, generally.

In my neck of the woods, I never heard anyone referring to it using the French pronunciation, but ... well, that was hardly a surprise.

Hmmm. There has to be someone here that knows this?

Boo-lay isn't even proper French pronunciation. A single T at the end of a word is silent - i.e. "chalet" - but "ette" is pronounced as "et" in French - i.e. "toilette".

 

[Snarf Zagyg]

Boo-lay isn't even proper French pronunciation. A single T at the end of a word is silent - i.e. "chalet" - but "ette" is pronounced as "et" in French - i.e. "toilette".

Of all the D&Disms (hard "g" in Sigil?), that might be the weirdest. It doesn't make any sense at all!

 

[Zsong]

Of all the D&Disms (hard "g" in Sigil?), that might be the weirdest. It doesn't make any sense at all!

I love planescape. But I refuse to use the hard g. It sounds ridiculous to me

 

[Bayushi_seikuro]

Useless/useful fact: D&D Beyond has audio of official pronounciations.