D&D (2024) Another new interview with Perkins & Wyatt about the 2024 DMG

[Micah Sweet]

Why exactly should you advertise to old players? They are already usually fully informed. Can do their own houserules etc.
Maybe let the core book be a core book for newer DMs.
Maybe have some advanced book later.
Maybe when new DMs are not so new anymore.

And then in the last video I saw, they explicitely called out that the advice in the new DM might also be quite useful for old ones.

And remembering, how it was when I started playing, the first chapter should be read by us old DMs too. There are two headers in the TOC, that read: "respect for the DM/the players".

I hope that chapter gives good guidelines how the game is thought to be played together, not againt each other.

I simply don't see anough value in those things to justify the cost. I doubt I'm alone there, and not everyone who feels this way came in prior to 5.0, I suspect. If you're a D&D 5e fan you have the books you need to play. They really have to sell you on spending another $150+ to buy them again I think.

 

[Micah Sweet]

If I want to incorporate previous edition material into my modern D&D game, I’ll go back and buy the old stuff and convert it myself. Done this a number of times, in fact. I tend to like my takes on things better anyways. Regardless, I want the designers to focus on the game going forward.

Why? What's the value to you for them to focus on things that don't help you? Why would you spend money on such a product?

 

[Minigiant]

Oh yeah... rather than focusing on the hundreds of thousands of new players with their advertising of their new game, they should worry about how the hundreds of players of other editions and games who aren't even playing the new game are doing. Makes perfect sense.

That totally worked out for the 1st 5e DMG, right?

 

[Micah Sweet]

That totally worked out for the 1st 5e DMG, right?

The 5.0 DMG is underrated, even by its designers. Lots of great stuff in there.

 

[UngeheuerLich]

I simply don't see anough value in those things to justify the cost. I doubt I'm alone there, and not everyone who feels this way came in prior to 5.0, I suspect. If you're a D&D 5e fan you have the books you need to play. They really have to sell you on spending another $150+ to buy them again I think.

Then don't buy it.
You just saved $150.

You already made up your mind. No matter how much they did advertise it to you, you would not buy it anyway. So why should they?
They made books that are especially useful for new DM's. They advertise it as such. So I really don't see any foul play here.
Which is what I said in my last post. We as old DMs have all we need. So we are nit the target audience if they want to make money. It is the next generation's time to get their books. If some of us buy the new ones, that is an extra bonus for them. Maybe this is why their target numbers are exceeded by 50%.

I wanted to wait to buy the new books. But I really like the ALT covers. So I get them this one time. Even if that means it has some need of errata already.
Why? Because I figured, I can just house rule them away until it is fixed.

 

[Minigiant]

The 5.0 DMG is underrated, even by its designers. Lots of great stuff in there.

It was good.

It's main flaws were its disorganized layout and that it catered too heavily to DMs of older editions and ignored new players.

 

[mamba]

I simply don't see anough value in those things to justify the cost. I doubt I'm alone there, and not everyone who feels this way came in prior to 5.0, I suspect. If you're a D&D 5e fan you have the books you need to play. They really have to sell you on spending another $150+ to buy them again I think.

sure, you can say that there is no compelling reason to upgrade, whether you started with 5e or not.

They still will need to talk about what is new to get you to upgrade, not about how something in 2e was better and how they miss it. So they talk about what is new

 

[mamba]

That totally worked out for the 1st 5e DMG, right?

I mean, 5e is the most successful edition by far, so I would not claim that whatever they did turned out to not work

 

[Minigiant]

I mean, 5e is the most successful edition by far, so I would not claim that whatever they did turned out to not work

Not because of the DMG.

Many people only read the old DMG because WOTC made the new one and Fans wanted to compare.

 

[Micah Sweet]

Then don't buy it.
You just saved $150.

You already made up your mind. No matter how much they did advertise it to you, you would not buy it anyway. So why should they?
They made books that are especially useful for new DM's. They advertise it as such. So I really don't see any foul play here.

Foul play is much too strong a term. I'm just saying that the 5.5 DMG is for all players of D&D 5e, not just the new ones that most if their attention is focused upon. If they want to make a product for new DMs and players, the starter sets are explicitly designed as such.