D&D (2024) Another new interview with Perkins & Wyatt about the 2024 DMG

[UngeheuerLich]

The 5.0 DMG is underrated, even by its designers. Lots of great stuff in there.

Yes. But not for new DMs. And useful information is scattered too much.

 

[Micah Sweet]

It was good.

It's main flaws were its disorganized layout and that it catered too heavily to DMs of older editions and ignored new players.

I'm a DM of older editions. That wasn't a flaw to me.

 

[Micah Sweet]

Yes. But not for new DMs. And useful information is scattered too much.

Again, that's what the starter sets are for.

 

[UngeheuerLich]

Foul play is much too strong a term. I'm just saying that the 5.5 DMG is for all players of D&D 5e, not just the new ones that most if their attention is focused upon. If they want to make a product for new DMs and players, the starter sets are explicitly designed as such.

Maybe not this time. I think the 5.5 DMG is fullfilling the role of a starter set.

Maybe we get a DMG's expanded toolbox set instead.

 

[Micah Sweet]

Maybe not this time. I think the 5.5 DMG is fullfilling the role of a starter set.

Maybe we get a DMG's expanded toolbox set instead.

If you're going to change the purpose of a product, maybe stop calling it by the same name?

 

[UngeheuerLich]

Again, that's what the starter sets are for.

No. No way. Starter sets never had the useful Information I seeked.

Exploration, optional rules, downtime, creating encounters. Siege weaponry. Exploration. And so on
All in different places.

I could never remember where to look for. So the DM's toolbox seems like a good idea to me.

On the other hand, in the new PHB I don't especially like the rules glossary. I miss the page with all the conditions in one place.
But maybe this is what a DM's screen is for. And maybe I have to get used to searching there if I want to know how something works.

 

[UngeheuerLich]

If you're going to change the purpose of a product, maybe stop calling it by the same name?

Maybe the name was correct all along. But the content was not what was a mismatch.

The new PHB teaches players how to play. Why shouldn't the DMG teach DM's how to play?

Why should it be assumed that DMs already know how everything works behind the scenes.

Yes the DMG 2014 was useful for you and me to quite some extend. Maybe it just was not if you want to start playing D&D. And maybe the jump from starter set to DMG was still too big...

And maybe it was not even useful enough that so called professionals who create content actually read it.

 

[Micah Sweet]

No. No way. Starter sets never had the useful Information I seeked.

Exploration, optional rules, downtime, creating encounters. Siege weaponry. Exploration. And so on
All in different places.

I could never remember where to look for. So the DM's toolbox seems like a good idea to me.

So reorganize it a bit if that's a problem. But getting started as a DM? That's a starter set thing.

 

[UngeheuerLich]

So reorganize it a bit if that's a problem. But getting started as a DM? That's a starter set thing.

No. Starter set thing is getting started as a group. And then players specialize with PHB and DM specializes with DMG.

At least how I see it*. And maybe how WotC sees it this time.

Maybe you see it different and that is ok.

*i would have not been sad if the DM's toolbox had some variant rules in it (for rests especially) But it seems variant rules are sourced out or scrapped.

 

[Micah Sweet]

Maybe the name was correct all along. But the content was not what was a mismatch.

The new PHB teaches players how to play. Why shouldn't the DMG teach DM's how to play?

Why should it be assumed that DMs already know how everything works behind the scenes.

Yes the DMG 2014 was useful for you and me to quite some extend. Maybe it just was not if you want to start playing D&D. And maybe the jump from starter set to DMG was still too big...

And maybe it was not even useful enough that so called professionals who create content actually read it.

I assume that a reader of the DMG who needs it has bought and hopefully made use of a starter set. You're supposed to buy one first.

You can't ignore the past because you don't think the terns they used were accurate. The DMG means something as a product, and it isn't to be the repository of on-boarding new DMs.