Antimagic and Orbs

[Sithobi1]

Anything nonmagical, such as holy water, would work. However, an Everlasting Torch is simply Continual Flame on a stick, so it would be suppressed.

 

[schporto]

Anything nonmagical, such as holy water, would work. However, an Everlasting Torch is simply Continual Flame on a stick, so it would be suppressed.

But Holy Water is water that has had 'bless water' cast on it.
-cpd

 

[Taraxia]

But Holy Water is water that has had 'bless water' cast on it.
-cpd

Instantaneous transmutation effect. Can't be dispelled, doesn't detect with a magic aura under _detect magic_, and holy water that you buy from the temple is under Equipment, not under Magic Items.

I can see the *logic* behind not letting holy water work -- it says it works because of positive energy, and other positive energy effects like turning undead don't work in an AMF -- but by the rules it does work. Just look food that's had _purify food and water_ cast on it doesn't turn rotten again in an AMF, stone that's been shaped by _stone shape_ doesn't turn back to its natural form, creatures affected by _flesh to stone_ don't become un-petrified in an AMF (which is a shame), and so on. The logic with instantaneous transmutation is like instantaneous conjuration -- the magic changes something and then *ends*, and the new, magically-changed thing is now nonmagical in its new form, even though magic is what originally made it get that way.

Of course, saying that the stoned flesh of a petrified creature or holy water is "nonmagical" is a lot less unbalancing in game terms than saying an orb of fire is "nonmagical" -- the holy water does a fraction of the damage of the orb of fire, after all.

 

[KarinsDad]

Let's see... core spells that would go from Conjouration(Creation) to Evocation if you make all Instant spells from the Conjouration(Creation) school into Evocations....

Create Water
Wall of Iron
Wall of Stone

Instantaneous Evocation spells do not become permanent, hence, these would stay in the Conjuration school. Either that, or they would become real useless real quici.

 

[DreamChaser]

Instantaneous Evocation spells do not become permanent, hence, these would stay in the Conjuration school. Either that, or they would become real useless real quici.

That is because evocation spells as they currently exist do not generally create physical objects. The fire from many evocation (fire) spells can set things alight, which is about as close as energy can generally get to any sort of duration.

I would think of it this way. The evocative magic brings forth a ball of fire and then a wall of stone. The ball of fire behaves exactly as any other ball of fire would (say from a burning building's backdraft): it burns and sets alight anything that it can. In the absence of anything to burn, it goes out. The wall of stone appears and does what sone walls do which is, generally, just standing there for all time.

DC

 

[Jack Simth]

Instantaneous Evocation spells do not become permanent, hence, these would stay in the Conjuration school. Either that, or they would become real useless real quici.

They aren't Permanent spells, they're Instant spells; the two have very different meanings. As things stand, Conjouration(Creation):Instant spells that make things make them stick around, too, until something else takes them down. If you make them Permanent, then you've got some funny issues:

A desert tribe uses lots of Create Water spells from 1st level Clerics to keep themselves from dying of thirst. Someone comes along and uses Greater Dispel Magic. They collapse into piles of dust as all the water in their bodies is dispelled. One of them enters an Anti-Magic Field, and instantly collapses into a pile of dust as all the water in his body gets suppressed.

The Wall of Iron and Wall of Stone spells become rather easy to get rid of, rather than the imposing barriers they're kinda supposed to be.

You could, I suppose, make them Permanent spells with caveats about not being subject to Dispell, Disjunction, and AMF or similar effects, but that's just awkward when we already have a nice, solid, Core definiation that does it for us and makes a modicum of sense.


I was taking a literal reading of a proposed alteration and showing what, as worded, it would do in a particular direction.