D&D 4E Anyone make a Binder class for 4E?

[Cringer_luvr]

If that's what you're looking for, I'd just play a warlock. There would be little to no difference in a binder as you describe and a warlock (except for maybe roles).


I'm still listening for ideas everyone. Nothing I have is set in stone, so go ahead and spit it all out. If you have any good vestige ideas I would love to hear them.

Same here all good stuff, want to see more vestige ideas too!

Anyone use the secrets of pact magic book that came out recently to go along with the tome of magic? some of the stuff in there would be intersting for conversion as well. but I will be happy just to see the binder from TOM converted

 

[lordkiwi]

How about each vestige has a special ability, an 'at-will', an encounter and a daily power.

Binders get one 'at-will' power plus the special ability and 'at-will' power from whatever they declare their 'primary' vestige. (Utility powers are not linked to a vestige.) Paragon Paths can be specific 'Special Vestiges' you are perminently bound to.

Level / # Vestiges
1-2 / 1
3-6 / 2
7+ / 3

All vestiges have a list of three encounter and daily powers depending on their rank, for simplicity they can all be similar to one another:
Vestige Rank : Encounter Powers : Daily Powers
1 : 1/3/7 : 1/5/9
2 : 3/7/13 : 5/9/15
3 : 7/13/17 : 9/15/19
4 : 13/17/23 : 15/17/25
5 : 17/23/27 : 19/25/29

Each day pick your primary Vestige and fill your highest level encounter/daily slots with a power from the list of the slot's level or lower, plus get its at-will and special ability.
Then, where apropriate, pick a secondary vestige for your second highest level slots and a third for your lowest level power slots.

An example is probably in order.... So I'm a level 8 Binder. Without Vestiges I have an At-Will power as well as 6th and 2nd level utility powers.

I have the following slots for my powers...
Encounter 7, 3, 1
Daily 5, 1

My primary vestige will fill the 7th and 5th level slots, as well as grant a second at-will ability and a special ability. I can pick a rank 1 or 2 vestige to get 7th and 5th level powers.
My secondary vestige will fill the 3rd and 1st [daily] slots. I have to pick a rank 1 vestige since rank 2s don't have level 1 powers.
My tertiary vestige will fill the 1st [encounter] slot. I have to pick a rank 1 vestige since rank 2s don't have level 1 powers and I only get the encounter power, not the daily.

Make sense? I may not have explained it well, but it gives you three Vestiges, each with their own unique powers. Seems a close match to the way the old system worked, but in 4e.

Lord Kiwi,

 

[Cringer_luvr]

Awesome stuff!!! I like it cant wait to see more!!

 

[Cringer_luvr]

Any new updates to this gang?

 

[lordkiwi]

I'm certainly going to take my idea a bit further (and drift it a little from the original to fit 4e slightly better) but it's only been a day and it'll take time.

 

[tombowings]

Exactly, the classes aren't easy to make like they were in 3.5. There, I could crank out a well-balanced class in about 3 hours. Now? It's taken me three weeks to get halfway through a swashbuckler, bard, and binder. We're taking ideas, but we, well..I, can't rush what I do unless I want to produce crap.

Wow, reading over that it sounds a bit means spirited. So, just to let you all know, I wrote that with a big smile on my face and meant to no offense whatsoever.

 

[Cringer_luvr]

I understand....thats why im coming here for info...I didnt take your response as mean, and I look forward to your work on this..thanks again.

 

[Eldritch_Lord]

And by the way, I'm swamped with other stuff at the moment and probably won't actually be able to make the binder I proposed, so if anyone wants to steal my ideas wholesale and make a binder him- or herself, go for it.

 

[Cringer_luvr]

BOO!! down with real life but in all reality I understand....still hope the others here are able to pull this together

 

[ziegander]

I know the Binder was a 3.5 class, but the flavor of Pact Magic made it seem like the Binder class was just lazy and used Pact Magic because it was profoundly easy.

1) People seem to be constantly troubled by the fact that a Binder in 4e seems to be able to change roles at the beginning of each day (at the very least).

2) The fluff of 3.5 Pact Magic tells us that drawing a seal and making a Pact is actually incredibly easy - you just have to know how to do it.

3) 4e now has a system of Rituals, of which forming a pact with an entity beyond existence seems to fit right in.

Now, many of those working on "the Binder" seem to agree that a ritual is most appropriate for the pact portion of the mechanics. However, what I cannot understand is why people seem to think that only a "Binder" class could ever learn to do it. If anyone trained in Religion can use the Raise Dead ritual what's so incredibly esoteric about the Bind Vestige ritual?

My proposal is to forget about the Binder as a class of it's own. Binders are merely individuals that initiate the Bind Vestige ritual. Using the ritual, a member of any class can bind itself with a Vestige. Yes this can completely change their role, but this is less worrisome if anyone can do it rather than simply a single class which can change its role whenever it desires.

I have a basic write up of how I see my proposal working. If anyone is interested I'll post it here.