Ah, I get it. Ananke was in some ways trying to prove something here, involving the superiority of time elementals, so she did indeed drill on the metaphysics, claiming that it was ignorance of those and lack of focus--just casting the happy-go-lucky fey enchantments that came easy to her--that kept Nissa ignorant of divinations.Kelleris said:
Please, I'm not trying to do that here. I hope you do see that I'm trying to help you achieve your original vision here with respect to my character, not go into one-upmanship. If you can't it's probably my inability to properly express my tone through the internet that is at fault.Kelleris said:And as long as we're playing oneupmanship, I'd like to point out that I've served the weirds obsessively for a decade precisely so I can plumb the very depths of their knowledge on matters of fate and destiny. My council of weirds beats your one time elemental.
Rystil Arden said:
Okay, goodKelleris said:Heh, it was meant as a joke. And we've already traded like a half-dozen posts regarding whether or not Nissa would have to be careful not to, quote, "blow me out of the water," end quote, so we were already kinda doing it.
And nobody can properly express tone through the internet. Better people than us have tried and failed.
I wasn't sure if it was a joke (for the record, I was going to add a joke about Nissa's mother being a weird but left it out just in case because I didn't want the joke to read wrong 
). But yeah, I think we can get something fun working up here. And I get where you're coming from when you talk about those posts, but I guess I don't consider it oneupmanship really to claim that the Int/Cha-based character with high knowledge Arcana and incredible Diplomacy could win a debate on something in Arcana if she was trying hard--it's like saying the barbarian would beat the sorcerer in arm-wrestling or the bard will beat the cleric at playing music (though funny story there--in Shackled City, our Cleric and Illusionist managed to team up and beat the Bard challenge at the festival on performance because the Cleric had incredible Charisma and cross-class ranks in Perform 
). If you thought I was trying to one-up you out of game, I apologise as that was not my intention
Rystil Arden said:Okay, good
Ah, nah. I get it now--I can see how you could have read that into the wording. Although she does have at the least a very similar sub-knowledge as something of a focus. The main deal was the combination of higher Int (so that even if she knew less she might have more intellectual agility to move with a debate) and whacko Diplomacy (so she's got all kinds of debating skills). That's what I meant--she's applying that Int and those skills to making the conversation more interesting, rather than to winning, since destroying him in a debate setting again and again isn't going to help at all compared to having a good discussionKelleris said:
Actualy, Ekilu might try that fate debate at some point, but he does respect your opinion and actualy wonders if you may have answers to his questions about fate, even if he is doubtful about their validity. And Ekilu's nicknames aren't cutesy, but functional. He calls a blacksmith "Blacksmith" or "Smith". He calls the Captain "Captain" more often than anything else, etc.Kelleris said:
Lucky may be cutesy (and remember that was after you killed the Loopy optionKelleris said:
) but Tempest in no way uses it in a cutesy manner. He finds Lupaz's fatalism amusing and so adopted the name not to be cute but to lighten the mood around Lupaz "I am Lupaz the hound of DOOM" "Ahh don't worrry about Lucky, he ate something not quite right for breakfast this morning. Normally he's such a happy-go-lucky chap" 
