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Is there anyone he killed who was not a threat?
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Arrow TV Show
- Thread starter Crothian
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Is there anyone he killed who was not a threat?
MarkB
Legend
Okay, I did miss that line. They certainly didn't look just hospitalised - one took an arrow mid-torso and went down with barely a grunt, the other took two hits offscreen and we don't get a good look at where he was hit, but again, he's not struggling in pain, he's just down and still. It certainly looked like they were both killed.
And yes, he killed the later goons in combat, but it was a combat he started, knowing the likely costs involved. Breaking into someone's office by carving through their bodyguards in order to rob them is not self-defence.
kind of with spoilers
I really liked it. I have seen this in a couple of places, but really it points to something bigger. Not only can he do that, but on the island he:
Learned Archery. You would not learn archery on a deserted island, at least not enough to be the class he is.
Hand to hand combat. He is not some raging beast, but is good enough to take out highly trained security people.
Pick-pockets. He was able to snag his sisters drugs without her knowing.
This is also the day and age of the TV slow reveal.
We will learn through flashbacks that it was not a deserted island.
My guess. They are going to work in the League of Shadows on the Island. I am probably wrong on the League, but he learned all these things from someone/group on the Island.
RK
I really liked it. I have seen this in a couple of places, but really it points to something bigger. Not only can he do that, but on the island he:
Learned Archery. You would not learn archery on a deserted island, at least not enough to be the class he is.
Hand to hand combat. He is not some raging beast, but is good enough to take out highly trained security people.
Pick-pockets. He was able to snag his sisters drugs without her knowing.
This is also the day and age of the TV slow reveal.
We will learn through flashbacks that it was not a deserted island.
My guess. They are going to work in the League of Shadows on the Island. I am probably wrong on the League, but he learned all these things from someone/group on the Island.
RK
Crothian
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We don't know what he learned on the island and what he knew before hand. Now they are going to do island flashbacks every episode so there is going to be a lot revealed, but until then I can only go by what they show us. It could be he learned it, it could be bad writing. It can turn out to be a combination of both.
I thought that the show was very cool.
For me, it hit the right marks. Good blend of "now" and "origin". Seems it will be taking the flashback route to reveal the origin over time which I greatly prefer to a rushed "got to get this out of the way" style origin that you often see in movies.
Like Smallville's approach to Superman, it appears that it will diverge from Green Arrow canon where it wants to while providing nods to the lore. Speedy is now a nickname for his sister. Will she eventually go the route of sidekick? Merlyn is the name of Ollie's best friend. Will he evolve into the Green Arrow nemesis of the same name?
The Deathstroke mask on the beach was very, very cool. It was almost a visceral reaction for me, all from seeing a freakin' cloth mask...
Honestly, while I've always liked Green Arrow, he never made it into my top-tier of heroes. I'm totally fine with them not hewing directly to the pre-New52 canon.
But then, I really enjoy the New52 version of Green Arrow. A more accessible Olliver without the goofy goatee & in-your-face liberalism.
The thing I'm wondering about the most, however, is how much the "super" aspect will be in the show. Will we ever see a Black Canary with Canary Cry or will we keep the more "realistic" street-level tone...
On my watch list.
For me, it hit the right marks. Good blend of "now" and "origin". Seems it will be taking the flashback route to reveal the origin over time which I greatly prefer to a rushed "got to get this out of the way" style origin that you often see in movies.
Like Smallville's approach to Superman, it appears that it will diverge from Green Arrow canon where it wants to while providing nods to the lore. Speedy is now a nickname for his sister. Will she eventually go the route of sidekick? Merlyn is the name of Ollie's best friend. Will he evolve into the Green Arrow nemesis of the same name?
The Deathstroke mask on the beach was very, very cool. It was almost a visceral reaction for me, all from seeing a freakin' cloth mask...
Honestly, while I've always liked Green Arrow, he never made it into my top-tier of heroes. I'm totally fine with them not hewing directly to the pre-New52 canon.
But then, I really enjoy the New52 version of Green Arrow. A more accessible Olliver without the goofy goatee & in-your-face liberalism.
The thing I'm wondering about the most, however, is how much the "super" aspect will be in the show. Will we ever see a Black Canary with Canary Cry or will we keep the more "realistic" street-level tone...
On my watch list.
sabrinathecat
Explorer
Bad things happen when you work for Bad People. Look at the civilian contractors on the Deathstar II.
I can't disagree with that. I do tend to give TV writers a lot of wiggle room, and usually end up disappointed. But, as of what we know right now, he should not be in the shape he is in, with the skills he has.
So, for now I guess it is tune in next week at the same Arrow Time on the same Arrow Channel.
RK
GMforPowergamers
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Well at the end of this weeks show is a flash back to day 1 on the island, where oliver queen is shot by an archer in a green hood... so there is someone training him.
I was much more impressed with the back and forth with the body guard.
Scott DeWar
Prof. Emeritus-Supernatural Events/Countermeasure
I liked it. As a survivor of a ruptured intestine almost a year ago, a gut shot by bullet, knife or arrow will likely end in death but not always. That person will be down for the count for at least 2 years, likely longer.
A shot in the bicep to a local police officer could have been fatal if the bracial [sp?] artery had been hit. It took a couple of years for him to be back at 100%.
over all, the pilot was enjoyable-lots of mystery to go, personal demons to concur, and his little sister to watch over.
A shot in the bicep to a local police officer could have been fatal if the bracial [sp?] artery had been hit. It took a couple of years for him to be back at 100%.
over all, the pilot was enjoyable-lots of mystery to go, personal demons to concur, and his little sister to watch over.
I wouldn't be surprised to find that Oliver was part of a "most dangerous game" type of scenario. Wasn't Deathstroke's mask on that island? He's suppsoed to become a chief anatagonist. I could see Slade Wilson using an island as a human game preserve.
As for the show on the whole, I was hoping for something more substantive. In the pilot, when he grabs the apple off the table, I got this idea that being trapped on a desert island would be a good heroic motivation, because he'd empathize with folks trying to survive on the streets. But right now it just looks like it's a superhero show for the 90210 crowd. On the surface, the show has dark overtones, but in reality the world we're presented so far is full of young, rich, attractive people. So far there are no dirty junkies or homeless people needing help in Starling City.
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Scott DeWar
Prof. Emeritus-Supernatural Events/Countermeasure
I kinda have to agree with this post in full. I got that same '90210' feeling and was wondering hoe 'o' got his fighting training from.
I find it funny that this Speedy apparently also has a drug problem. Will he start calling her "Arsenal" later?
As I recall, the Speedy of the early 1980s had a heroin habit.
Crothian
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Farther back than that, actually. It was one of comics' first clumsy attempts at "relevant" storytelling.
If there's some way to post the image directly rather than just a link to it, I haven't figured it out yet.
Farther back than that, actually. It was one of comics' first clumsy attempts at "relevant" storytelling.
If there's some way to post the image directly rather than just a link to it, I haven't figured it out yet.
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sabrinathecat
Explorer
Netflix put season 1 up on instant view. Finished it the other night. (The fact that I finished anything speaks volumes). They managed to perfectly balance soap-opera drama with a good comic-book action series. The result was a very good, well-paces, well-plotted show, that managed to set itself up to a great season ending without answering absolutely every question. They had just enough teasing and fan-bating to satisfy the comic fans without being an over-the-top geek fest. I only hope they can keep up this level of quality.
I'm just worried they'll be like "Once Upon A Time", by having a great first season and a crap second season.
I'm just worried they'll be like "Once Upon A Time", by having a great first season and a crap second season.
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That's the one I was thinking of- is it actually from the 1970s?
