Ars Magica: Lumen Montis, A Covenant in the Alps [OOC]
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Cerebral Paladin
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mckerih said:
Sure. When studying Arts, the number of XP gained is largely the same: Quality + Int + Concentration. However, you can't get above the target level of a summa by studying a summa; so if your Vim is 9, and you're studying a Summa on vim of Quality 8 and level 10 with an Int of 3 and a concentration of 4, you would get 10 XP, because getting the full 15 would take you past the level of the summa. LQs are a little odd; they're designed to be used at a specific level, so you subtract 5 * the difference between your level and the target level. So if the same character (Vim 9, Int 3, Concentration 4) studied a LQ of quality 15 and level 10, they would get 3+4+15 - 5* (10-9)=17 XP, and would have a new Vim score of 10 with 7 XP towards level 11. Tractati study totals are based on the straight formula; your level doesn't matter. You do, however, have to know the spell that the tractatus is based on.
The other wrinkle is that you can only ever study a given tractatus or LQ once; you can study a summa as many times as you like, although you'll eventually reach its level and not be able to learn any further.
There is also always a limit of 3 to the number of levels of an Art you can learn in one season.
Orichalcum
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Re: more books and stuff
Ah, then the TRBTTT Tractatus might in fact be useful - thanks for the clarification! Still, summae and LQs seem like more generally needed. Also, I have Wizard's Communion - do other people? This seems highly useful to get a group of people learning if not.
--Orichalcum (Brigitta)
Ah, then the TRBTTT Tractatus might in fact be useful - thanks for the clarification! Still, summae and LQs seem like more generally needed. Also, I have Wizard's Communion - do other people? This seems highly useful to get a group of people learning if not.
--Orichalcum (Brigitta)
Orichalcum said:
I think the best course of action with tractati is to remember that Lemannus has it and look into trading for them later.
I do not; you are probably right. It depends, however, on what major spells we have available and necessary. I have nothing which is beyond my current capabilities. Does anyone have Aegis of the Hearth yet?
Feir Fireb
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I'm thinking I take back Matteo's stance on the primus, requiring instead that the primus be capable of playing a sort of dissonant funk-rock, and providing the covenant with both pork soda and seas of cheese. The ability to write introductory music for foulmouthed children would be a plus.
Just kidding, of course
More seriously, though, in doing some genealogical research, I found a site that makes nice no-frills topographical maps for just about any area in the world, by town. Here's the area around Monthey:
http://www.calle.com/info.cgi?kind=...name=Monthey&cty=Switzerland&alt=1528&zoom=-4
They also do illuminated maps, but those can be less helpful.
Just kidding, of course
More seriously, though, in doing some genealogical research, I found a site that makes nice no-frills topographical maps for just about any area in the world, by town. Here's the area around Monthey:
http://www.calle.com/info.cgi?kind=...name=Monthey&cty=Switzerland&alt=1528&zoom=-4
They also do illuminated maps, but those can be less helpful.
Feir Fireb
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Hmm... one other thought on advantages of Tractatus (which is also the plural, apparantly): You don't need to have a set level to read or write them, and your level does not affect XP gained. To write, you only need to have mastered the spell, which can be easy enough for low-magnitude spells (you need to know the spell to read). So writing Tractatus could be a sort of "poor man's" way of getting the covenant out of holes in our library and knowledge base, if we should have difficulty in obtaining other proper texts.
They're also likely to be at least somewhat valuable in trading to older covenants which are more likely to be composed of magi who don't get much use out of LQs and Summae anymore.
(And anyways, it's not a bad idea to master spells that would be cast frequently: multicasting and lack of botches can make for a nasty low-level spell.)
They're also likely to be at least somewhat valuable in trading to older covenants which are more likely to be composed of magi who don't get much use out of LQs and Summae anymore.
(And anyways, it's not a bad idea to master spells that would be cast frequently: multicasting and lack of botches can make for a nasty low-level spell.)
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Feir Fireb said:
Feir Fireb, I didn't notice until after I'd emailed Cerebral Paladin about it and gotten his reply -- and I had read the .sig!
Tsaran has 5's in Creo, Intéllego, Rego, and Corpus. He can easily get to a 5 in anything else we're short of, as his lowest art score is a 3 and he is something of a generalist.
CP, I had taken the rule to mean one had to have at least a 5 in all 15 categories in order to take an apprentice. Did I misunderstand?
I didn't square bracket my last IC post, but Tsaran isn't going to try to cause trouble. He strongly supports choosing a Primus by election, and will actively support the proposals and suggestions he's made, but he'd rather have a happy covenant than one which conforms to the exact nature of his desires and he views most of the issues as details within an overall plan which he likes, so he's willing to let go of any given point if the majority of the covenant doesn't want it. That said, he *will* actively support all the proposals he's made, as he does think they're good ideas.
Cerebral Paladin
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Malacat said:
Your understanding is correct. All that I was saying is that, in addition to that rule but by analogy, you must have a 5 in a given Art to write a Liber Questionum on that Art (to prevent abusive bootstrapping).
mmeubiquitous,
Would you be amenable to the idea of a group laboratory (or perhaps two) if individual labs were created for each of us first? The idea being that we will all have our own labs where we do our own work and none other may enter without permission, but that there is some communal lab space available for those who might wish to collaborate without one submitting to the other.
The application that comes most strongly to mind is the possibility of several of us collaborating on the lab work for making stronger longevity potions, but I expect it'll be useful for other purposes as well.
Er, does anyone know if mmeubiquitous is reading this thread? She hasn't posted to it that I've seen.
Would you be amenable to the idea of a group laboratory (or perhaps two) if individual labs were created for each of us first? The idea being that we will all have our own labs where we do our own work and none other may enter without permission, but that there is some communal lab space available for those who might wish to collaborate without one submitting to the other.
The application that comes most strongly to mind is the possibility of several of us collaborating on the lab work for making stronger longevity potions, but I expect it'll be useful for other purposes as well.
Er, does anyone know if mmeubiquitous is reading this thread? She hasn't posted to it that I've seen.
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