Asmodeus vs Demogorgon

[S'mon]

Graz'zt is the coolest demon - just see the Gord books.

 

[Vaercathor Deathknel]

Gord Books? Oh, yeah! Demogorgon was the best! Graz'zt was only saved by his possession of the Theorpart.

 

[MPA2000]

As 1e gives us the only real means of comparison, let's use that:

Demogorgon and Asmodeus are Lesser Gods (DDG p.90).

Armour Class: Asmodeus has a -7 AC vs. Demogorgon's -8.

Hit Points: Asmodeus has 199 hp vs. Demogorgon's 200.

Physical Attacks: Asmodeus has one attack for 4-14 damage vs.
Demogorgon's 3 attacks for 1-6 for each tentacle while his tail drains 1d4 levels.

Magic Resistance: Asmodeus has 90% vs. Demogorgon's 95%.

Special Mentions:
Asmodeus can fly, is as strong as a storm giant, and can use the following abilities; wall of fire, ice storm, wall of ice, detect invisible, invisibility, dispel magic, hold monster, shape change, beguile, rulership, geas, symbols of pain, insanity, and hopelessness, unholy word, summon 2 greater devils (we'll assume pit fiends). His gaze causes fear, weakness, or chill. Also his rod has the effects of dragon's breath.

Demogorgon can hypnotize, beguile, insanity, detect invisible, dispel magic, polymorph self, wall of ice, telekinese, feeblemind, project image, power word stun, any symbol, gating in a random demon.

Too close, it would depend on if they were played to their fullest potential.

Was it ever stated in either the MM or DDG what level/HD either ruler were? I thought that the MM stated that they were 10th level?

 

[howandwhy99]

Asmodeus = 70,965*
Demogorgon = 74,000*

*material forms only, otherwise x10

But really, with power levels this close any one battle is going to come down to the rolling of the dice. Demogorgon will still win the majority of the time though.

 

[SkredlitheOgre]

Dagon.

 

[MPA2000]

Asmodeus = 70,965*
Demogorgon = 74,000*

*material forms only, otherwise x10

But really, with power levels this close any one battle is going to come down to the rolling of the dice. Demogorgon will still win the majority of the time though.

Okay that is what you figured in xp, but I was asking if anyone figured out what their HD/level were. Aside from "lesser god" as stated in the DDG.

BTW they all have only material forms. Avatars didn't come in to use until the 2nd edt of AD&D, and even then the Demon Lords and Arch Devils were removed from the game.

 

[Mouseferatu]

Is this a thread necromancy record? It's gotta be at least close...

 

[pemerton]

BTW they all have only material forms. Avatars didn't come in to use until the 2nd edt of AD&D

The notion of "material forms" is in 1st ed AD&D - a Demon Prince/Archdevil killed other than on its home plane is only banished, not permanently destroyed - the phrase "material form" seems to have the meaning "form on the prime material plane" - an outerplanar creature's analogue to the bodies that astrally projecting characters make when they arrive on the outer planes.

 

[Corathon]

Was it ever stated in either the MM or DDG what level/HD either ruler were? I thought that the MM stated that they were 10th level?

If by "level" you mean hit dice, in 1E one divides HP by 4.5 to get hit dice. That makes both about 45 HD.

If by "level" you mean monster level, both are level X (the top).

 

[El Mahdi]

Is this a thread necromancy record? It's gotta be at least close...

It might be. But it does involve demon lords, so at least it's appropriate...