D&D (2024) Based upon what we currently know, what degree of "edition update" is 5.5?

[Marandahir]

Imnot even sure what you are saying in the first paragraph, but it is not what I said. The bolded part is what I said just now. Each Race is a point buy build for a value of +6 to attributes. Mountain Dwarves, Half-Elves, and Standard Humans are built a little differently, but the balance is still in play. All Racial features that are not ribbons are part of the ASI/Feat point buy balance.

Because they are balanced around the Feat like features versus ASI bonuses. It's all the same mathematically.

Yup, a feat is just a class or lineage feature that isn’t bound to a single class or lineage.

Some are worth more than others. In 2014, they tried to balance all feats with each other, but they’ve realised now the benefits of that are outweighed by the benefits of leveled feats, esp. when some lineages already had leveled features (see Tiefling).

 

[GMforPowergamers]

Because they are balanced around the Feat like features versus ASI bonuses. It's all the same mathematically.

if it is balanced at +1 to all it is not balanced with +2/+1
if it is balanced with +2str +2 con it is not balanced with +2/+1
if it is balanced with +2cha +1 two other it is not balanced with +2/+1
if it is balanced with +1 to any two it isn not with +2/+1

what part of this is not making sense to you? either it WASN'T or it ISN'T

(or then again like I have said for years the devs did not balance the game and are not balancing the game... but I already know you wont agree with that)

 

[Parmandur]

if it is balanced at +1 to all it is not balanced with +2/+1
if it is balanced with +2str +2 con it is not balanced with +2/+1
if it is balanced with +2cha +1 two other it is not balanced with +2/+1
if it is balanced with +1 to any two it isn not with +2/+1

what part of this is not making sense to you? either it WASN'T or it ISN'T

(or then again like I have said for years the devs did not balance the game and are not balancing the game... but I already know you wont agree with that)

What are you even talking about...?

Every Race in 2014 has a value of 3 Feats or ASI's. The standard Human has 3 ASI's (plus a language ribbon). The Half-Elf and Mountain Dwarf have 2 ASI's and one Fest equivalent (plus ribbons). Most Races have 1 and a half ASI's and one and a half Feats worth of features (plus ribbons). In all cases, they are balanced.

 

[Parmandur]

Yup, a feat is just a class or lineage feature that isn’t bound to a single class or lineage.

Some are worth more than others. In 2014, they tried to balance all feats with each other, but they’ve realised now the benefits of that are outweighed by the benefits of leveled feats, esp. when some lineages already had leveled features (see Tiefling).

It'll be interesting to see what they come up with, for sure.

 

[GMforPowergamers]

What are you even talking about...?

Every Race in 2014 has a value of 3 Feats or ASI's. The standard Human has 3 ASI's (plus a language ribbon). The Half-Elf and Mountain Dwarf have 2 ASI's and one Fest equivalent (plus ribbons). Most Races have 1 and a half ASI's and one and a half Feats worth of features (plus ribbons). In all cases, they are balanced.

if they are balanced with other stats changing them to 2/1 with the background is unbalancing

 

[Parmandur]

if they are balanced with other stats changing them to 2/1 with the background is unbalancing

Note that the Sidebar defaults to keeping the older ASI if an older book option is used (I just noticed they mention Tasha's and Monsters of the Multiverse specifically, that's no coincidence, and am likely indicator that this is for the final book). So, yes, for a 2014 Race just keep the 2014 ASI, and add a Feat. That's RAW for this test.

 

[glass]

I do not appreciate being called a liar.

Good thing nobody called you a liar then, eh?

 

[glass]

The two comments of mine you quoted here were not in any way at odds with each other.

I didn’t miss that at all. Like I said, the two lines were entirely compatible and usable together.

There was four lights one line!

If you don’t want to call them different editions, fine; it’s a semantic difference. We are not disagreeing on the actual substantial details, just on what word to use to describe them. However you prefer to describe the relationship between Essentials and classic 4e, that’s what I think the relationship between 1D&D and classic 5e will be.

Well yes, it is a semanitic difference. Semantics is the study of the meaning of words. Words means things. And in the context of D&D "edition" means something other than strict subset.

I think you have some baggage with the word “edition” that @Marandahir and I do not. We are in agreement about what the relationship between 4e and Essentials was like. We just have different words we prefer to use to describe that relationship.

The relationship was superset and subset. For some unfathomable reasons you want to pretend otherwise (usually the reason is obvious, but that reason does not appear to apply to you and @Marandahir).

 

[Umbran]

I am done being polite about it.

Mod Note:
Please return to being polite about it. Frustration does not mean you get a waiver.