Battlestar Galactica February 4, 2005. Spoiler Talk

There are huge glaring technical holes in many of the basic premises of Galactica. YOu are able to ignore them. So, why worry over these fiddling details?
Its a threshold thing.

Would you have been satisfied if the cut out everything with Starbuck on the planet, focused on the Adama/Apollo/everyone else stuff on the Galactica and then in the end just had the part with the lone cylon ship showing up and turning out to be Starbuck?

If they are going to focus part of the episode on fiddling details, they could do a better job. The earlier episodes stayed even farther away from these details - and did fine.

The writers are trusting us to keep up. They maybe gave their audience too much credit this time out. Alas.
Wow, can you be anymore pompous and condescending?
We kept up just fine, you apparently missed a few details but we'll forgive you. It is possible to dislike the handwaving choices made and still understand what was hand waved.

The episode should have been 45 hours long, since that was how much oxygen Strabuck had. Then we could have picked over every single step she took.
Nah, by the time she found the ship and got inside she was down to about 11 hours and really she used all of that locating the air line, so the episode only had to be twice as long as she spent figuring out which bones to play with :D
 
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Kobold Avenger said:
Something tells me that all 12 colonies are named after the 12 signs of the horoscope...
So far I've heard...
Caprica = Capricorn
Saggitaron = Sagitarrius

And isn't their culture vaguely based off Greek culture, which gave the names as we know it for the horoscope (the horoscope was originally babylonian, I think).
There's also Pikon (Pisces) and Geminon (Gemini), and at some point in future episodes they mention a city on Caprica with a Greek origin, and I'm pretty certain that more Greek Gods are mentioned by name.
 

Abraxas said:
Wow, can you be anymore pompous and condescending?
We kept up just fine, you apparently missed a few details but we'll forgive you. It is possible to dislike the handwaving choices made and still understand what was hand waved.

No doubt. But the way to defend your favorite show is to rip the IQ of those who didn't enjoy it as much as you. After all anyone who doesn't love it as much must be stupid right?

If the writing was at this level for the whole show it would be an issue, but they get better from 6-13. A lot better in some cases.
 

Amal Shukup said:
See, I call it "lazy viewing".

I APPRECIATE the fact that they don't resort to trek-speak to handwave stuff, and I appreciate even more that they don't roll some 'lowest common denominator' exposition boy out every couple of minutes to explain the obvious. The writers are trusting us to keep up. They maybe gave their audience too much credit this time out. Alas.

The Patch: Flight suit material for space pilots. It's OBVIOUSLY vaccuum rated. Even modern day fighter pilot pressure suits are so loaded with plastics and polymers they'd probably suffice. Never mind a SPACE Pilots. Doesn't have to be a perfect seal on the planet. Once in space, presuming there was some backing (say a rock and some duct tape), vaccuum would provide a more or less perfect seal. Good enough for her purposes anyway. _I_ could patch that hole with those materials. I need Geordi Laforge to mumble on about differential pressure in the flux capacitors?

Flight Controls: OBVIOUSLY mechanical linkages (levers etc) intended to be manipulated by the original pilot's musculature (like thigh bones). The writers WERE explicit enough to remind us that only four controls were required for basic flight. They SHOW her manipulating them (hands and feet).

Air Tube: It's OBVIOUSLY a flesh and blood critter. Blood as in an 'oxygen transportation medium'. Probably engineered from a mammal - Human, most likely (demonstrated expertise from building Six et al). It OBVIOUSLY needs air every bit as much as we do. They even gave us an Oxygen detector to exposit the fact that it was air...

First thing I thought of when she opened it up: ("hey! It bleeds. It's gotta have air somewhere...")

Aside: This human or animal origin probably explains WHY the controls were physically situated where they were - to take advantage of existing nerve and muscular structures.


Duct Taping the Wings: 45 minutes of air shown on suit. A fresh supply of air provided. Duct tape explicitly shown, 40 odd hours not accounted for. Pick any of about ten plausible opportunities.

Finding her way to the BSG: Grab altitude, mentally review BSG SOP, establish a polar orbit (or whatever orbit is most likely to stumble across the BSG platforming for search and Rescue operations). Get lucky.

NOT Lazy writing at ALL: They SHOWED us all the equipment needed, and enough context to know what it could do. They spoon fed us flight controls (cause not everybody knows that only four controls matter). We can infer off screen capabilities and actions based on what we know about the characters involved. They left out out redundant exposition and fatuous handwaving, and they left IN all kinds of STORY...

LOVE this show. And NO, actually, I DON'T see a lot of good TV...

But somebody please explain why people from Kobol wear neck ties? Now THAT'S inexplicable... :-)

A'Mal
Hey - chill. :)

I still think the patch is dumb, so nyah nyah nyah - and I thought it the whole time without insulting anyone! :o You can't seal against the vaccum of space with duct tape. Duct tape isn't even water tight, let alone air-tight...and definitely not at that kind of pressure differential. A rock? Give me a break!

I buy that she could make the ship move - that all made at least a certain kind of sense to me. But she still had no way to see outside the ship, save a tiny window - propellor airplane pilots need more instruments than that! She managed to fly *into space* with absolutely no instrumentation - weak. Might there have been a screen that they just didn't show us? Yeah. Sure. There might have been. But it doesn't take Trekkian techno-speak to flash it on the camera for a second.

Now, you can explain away all the things that *might* have happened, but the writers quite obviously *do not care* how she managed to make all of that happen - that's a valid choice, I guess. But it's still one that I thought was lame.

I didn't kick your dog, or even tell you that Battlestar is a bad show - in fact, I said quite the opposite.

Now, there's 35 hours till the next episode airs - can we knock off with the insults and put on our happy faces to watch the friggin' show that we all obviously enjoy enough to post about? :p
 

The_Universe said:
Hey - chill. :)

I was responding to the 'Lazy Writing' comment (which I disagreed with vehemently) and the veiled insult ("we must enjoy a lot of TV" - on account of we're so credulous and uncritical). My apologies for escalating. Mea Culpa.

But it's obvious (from the amount and volume of complaints) that the writers left too much up to the audience this time. However, I think it rather silly to suggest that the writers didn't know what was going on - based on the amount and consistency of the material they did show.

The_Universe said:
I still think the patch is dumb, so nyah nyah nyah - and I thought it the whole time without insulting anyone! :o You can't seal against the vaccum of space with duct tape. Duct tape isn't even water tight, let alone air-tight...and definitely not at that kind of pressure differential. A rock? Give me a break!

Flight. Suit. Material. Airtight. Rock (larger than the hole, see. Or anything - wood, metal panel, her helmet...) and Duct Tape to hold the air tight patch in place. (This would all be required to keep the differential pressure from simply sucking the flight suit into space, see).

Give ME a break. Did I suggest Duct Tape was airtight?

A'Mal
 

But it's obvious (from the amount and volume of complaints) that the writers left too much up to the audience this time. However, I think it rather silly to suggest that the writers didn't know what was going on - based on the amount and consistency of the material they did show.
See this is the detail I think you missed. It isn't that they left to much up to the audience, its the way they left things up to the audience - a fine but significant difference. Having the bits they did show be consistant is easy and doesn't mean they even thought about what wasn't shown.

Flight. Suit. Material. Airtight. Rock (larger than the hole, see. Or anything - wood, metal panel, her helmet...) and Duct Tape to hold the air tight patch in place. (This would all be required to keep the differential pressure from simply sucking the flight suit into space, see).
Doesn't matter if the flight. suit. material. is airtight. The seal around it also has to be airtight and have enough adhesive strength to stop the suit from sliding out through the hole. Tape really doesn't fit the bill (unless you want to assume super tape - which I find silly). Also the rock or helmet doesn't fit an irregular hole very well making the seal even less effective. Simply including some sort of expanding foam in her emergency kit and having her use that would have taken this right off the map.

Different views - thats all.
 
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Abraxas said:
It isn't that they left to much up to the audience, its the way they left things up to the audience - a fine but significant difference

I guess I just miss it then, because I don't get what you're saying at ALL

Abraxas said:
Having the bits they did show be consistant is easy and doesn't mean they even thought about what wasn't shown.

I do not agree with this statement in the least. Consistency is not at ALL an easy thing to pull off - particularly if one also presumes that they're just winging it. My opinion is that they were NOT winging it at all. Hence NOT lazy writing. Possibly overenthusiastic editing.

I'm not going into the flight suit patch thing again, nobody seems to have a fraking idea what I've attempted to describe - and I don't care to keep trying. But given an airtight material, duct tape and some odds and ends, that hole gets plugged.

If I can't makea viable hypothesis clear after a couple of odd paragraphs, how are the series writers supposed to cope with making something plausible? Oh yes, you said: "ACME spaceship repair kit with 'super sealant expanding foam'" or something.

A 'MacGuffin'.

Each to their own - I prefer the episode as aired.


A'Mal
 

Chill.

Everyone got what you are trying to describe with the patch.
Some just don't like it - the whole suspension of disbelief thing.
Telling us we're wrong because we don't get it is still insulting.
They macguyvered the ship and your fine with that, but don't give me crap cause I think it was weak.

Or I could just say you don't get it but thats your problem.

enjoy
 

Yeah a new episode tonight and I can actually watch it tonight instead of having to wait till Monday night!

With Starbucks leg broken I am remembering some, in my opionion, creepy clips from the behind the scene's (or whatever it's title was) show that aired before the first episode. One's with Starbuck and the doc.....

True blonde or not? Hopefully not the important discovery in the next episode.

No matter what I am still looking forward to it :)
 

Laurel said:
Yeah a new episode tonight and I can actually watch it tonight instead of having to wait till Monday night!

With Starbucks leg broken I am remembering some, in my opionion, creepy clips from the behind the scene's (or whatever it's title was) show that aired before the first episode. One's with Starbuck and the doc.....

True blonde or not? Hopefully not the important discovery in the next episode.
I guess that depends on your priorities ;)
 

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