Best Spell to Maximize

[kreynolds]

I'm with Jeremy on this one.

OK. But I must say that I'm quite surprised with Jeremy. I mean, here we have a 2nd level spell cast by a 3rd level caster...and it's completely negating a 7th level spell cast by a 20th level caster...and he doesn't see anything wrong with that? Neither do you?

It would be just like having a Silence spell that canceled out all fire, lightning, acid, or cold energy within a 15-foot radius. Like I said, those 2nd level variant spells don't exhist because they'd be quite silly.

 

[Xarlen]

All right, let's look at this logically.

Sonic is an Energy type, just like Fire, Cold, Electricity and Acid. Agreed?

Now, how do we prevent these?

Resistance spells. Endure Elements, Resist Elements, Prot. From Elements, Etc.

Have immunities.

Now, the listed Spells that hold back the energy damages offer it like so:

5. 12/round. 12/Level. Tome and Blood has the highest spell for this: Energy Immunity, at level 7. Makes you Immune.

Are you telling me that a 2nd level spell is doing the same thing as a 7th level spell, in an Area of Effect?

Silence prevents things from being Heard. Bard's singing abilities, Harpies' song, Deafening effects. It does not stop an Energy. Even if there is no Sound, there is still the Force that drives it; the sound is simply a byproduct. Sonic is like a Shockwave, which is why it does full damage to Objects, because the shockwaves cause vibrations within the material. Think of a Sonic blast as like... the result of C4. The Power of the explosion (not the fire) is what does damage.

 

[Bonedagger]

Well. Nobody said that everything a great wizard can do is necessary very damaging

 

[kreynolds]

Are you telling me that a 2nd level spell is doing the same thing as a 7th level spell, in an Area of Effect?

My point exactly.

 

[Bonedagger]

A Protection from Evil also negates a lot of powerfull stuff....

That's why we have Dispel Magic

 

[Xarlen]

This is sort've like saying 'Since I'm hasted, that wizard's Time Stop doesn't work on me'.

 

[Bonedagger]

Even if there is no Sound, there is still the Force that drives it; the sound is simply a byproduct.

The (sound)pressure is damaging but is the magical energies that create this pressure?

 

[Bonedagger]

This is sort've like saying 'Since I'm hasted, that wizard's Time Stop doesn't work on me'.

No it isn't

(Timestop just speeds the caster up)

 

[Magic Rub]

Silence prevents things from being Heard. Bard's singing abilities, Harpies' song, Deafening effects. It does not stop an Energy. Even if there is no Sound, there is still the Force that drives it; the sound is simply a byproduct. Sonic is like a Shockwave, which is why it does full damage to Objects, because the shockwaves cause vibrations within the material. Think of a Sonic blast as like... the result of C4. The Power of the explosion (not the fire) is what does damage.

Your interpretation of how this is works does not seem to be correct.

Upon the casting of this spell, complete silence prevails in the affected area. All sound is stopped: Conversation is impossible, spells with verbal components cannot be cast, and no noise whatsoever issues from, enters, or passes through the area. The spell can be cast on a point in space, but the effect is stationary unless cast on a mobile object.The spell can be centered on a creature, and the effect then radiates from the creature and moves as it moves. An unwilling creature can attempt a Will save to negate the spell and can use SR, if any. Items in a creature’s possession or magic items that emit sound receive saves and SR, and unattended objects and points in space do not. This spell
provides a defense against sonic or language-based attacks, such as command, harpy song, a horn of blasting, etc.

Your interpretation is that it effects the auditory reception of each individual within the area of effect. This would be vastly over powered. Where in fact the spell stop sound dead. No sound means no shock wave. The spell is Sonic damage not force damage. [edit]

Fire balls emit no pressure.

 

[Xarlen]

The shatter spell doesn't mention that it's unable to be used in a Silence spell.

All right, let me look at your arguement.

You say that a Silence spell negates a Sonic energy attack.

Now, you could say that the Sound is doing the damage to the target, then someone immune to Deafening effects takes no damage, right? SInce they can't Hear it, then they take no damage. Like undead. So, undead are immune to sonic damage

If you say that no, just because something can't Hear it doesn't mean it's not damaged... Well, all the Silence spell does is basicly drown out all sound. So, wouldn't you say the energy that does the damage is still there, just not heard?