Blindsight vs. Displacement?

[kreynolds]

And, I am with the concensus that Kreynolds is cuddly.

Don't you ever call me "cuddly" again.

Yuk. I need to go kick a puppy or something.

 

[jgbrowning]

erase

just make up a spell called erase. allows the caster to act normally, but removes all traces of his existance... like a improved invis/silenced/non-vibratory/non-scent... blah blah.... (ie. counters blindsight)

make it.. um.. i dunno.. 6th or somthing...


joe b.

 

[Henrix]

The reason I think that the spell Displacement may fool Blindsight is that, and this is different from other glamers like Silence or Invisibility, it nowhere in the spell description says what senses are fooled.

This presumably could meant that any and all senses are fooled.
Including those that make up blindsight. It is, after all, a third level spell lasting but one round per level.


(The intention may be that it just, like it says explicitly in the displacer beast description, only fools vision. But it does not say that.)

 

[tburdett]

For what it's worth.

Read the description for the Displacement spell.

The operative word is 'appears'.

The primary definition for the word 'appears' is "to become visible".

Now we need to figure out what 'visible' means.

The primary definition for the word 'visible' is "possible to see; perceptible to the eye: a visible object."

Logically, the spell would not work against blindsight.

 

[Henrix]

The primary definition for the word 'appears' is "to become visible".

So if I say that the sound appears to come from behind your ears, I am really saying that the sound is becoming visible behind your ears?

Funny thing, the English language.

 

[tburdett]

I never said that it was the ONLY definition for the word, I said that it was the PRIMARY definition for the word.

If you'd like to offer up another method for determining exactly what the spells description means, feel free.

 

[Antikinesis]

Regarding suggestion for a new spell that lets you sound like you're displaced... see Sculpt Sound. (Bard 3).

Regarding suggestion for a new spell that completely masks your presence (suggested name was Erase. Already taken. Erases magical (et al) writing.) ... Ethereal Jaunt. (Cleric 5, Wizard 7 (I think.))

Regarding the discussion about the meaning of appear... I suggest using the synonym "seem" to help clear up confusion.

-AK

 

[Xarlen]

Don't you ever call me "cuddly" again.

Yuk. I need to go kick a puppy or something.

Now that's cute.

 

[kreynolds]

For those of you looking to fool Blindsight, look no further than Ghostform (T&B).

 

[bret]

For what it's worth.

Read the description for the Displacement spell.

The operative word is 'appears'.

The primary definition for the word 'appears' is "to become visible".

Now we need to figure out what 'visible' means.

The primary definition for the word 'visible' is "possible to see; perceptible to the eye: a visible object."

Logically, the spell would not work against blindsight.

In a world with Low-light vision, Darkvision, Blindsight, TremorSense, and a host of other methods of 'seeing' things, I think that your assumption about appearance being strictly visual isn't so clear.

I've often wondered which spells BlindSight renders useless. Blur, Displacement, Blink, and Mislead are just some of them I've wondered about.