Blindsight vs. Displacement?

[Magic Rub]

For those of you looking to fool Blindsight, look no further than Ghostform (T&B).

I love that spell. It's soooo nice.

 

[Xarlen]

Blink puts you on and off the Ethereal plane. So I think Blindsight effective when you're on the Eth plane.

Think of Blindsight like Radar. With Blink, you're flickering on and off.

 

[kreynolds]

I've often wondered which spells BlindSight renders useless.

I'll take a crack at this...

Blur

Yes. You "appear" blurred.

Displacement

Yes. You "appear" to be 2 feet away from where you really are.

Blink

No. The miss chance is because the blinking target is rapidly shifting into and out of the ethereal plane.

EDIT: Actually, it might partially negate Blink. See next two posts.

Mislead

Sort of. Mislead is a two part spell. First, it creates an illusory double of you, which appears, smells, and even feels just like you. Blindsight wouldn't negate the copy. Secondly, the spell makes you disappear (as improved invisibility). Blindsight "makes invisibility irrelevant.

Any more?

 

[bret]

Blink puts you on and off the Ethereal plane. So I think Blindsight effective when you're on the Eth plane.

Think of Blindsight like Radar. With Blink, you're flickering on and off.

The thing that complicates this is a creature able to see invisible creatures has a reduced miss chance. So would BlindSight automatically provide this, or is it only See Invisible (the spell) and other methods of detecting Etherial creatures?

 

[kreynolds]

The thing that complicates this is a creature able to see invisible creatures has a reduced miss chance. So would BlindSight automatically provide this, or is it only See Invisible (the spell) and other methods of detecting Etherial creatures?

Actually, now that you mention it, I think Blindsight might reduce the miss chance to 20%. Blindsight specifically states that it makes invisibility irrelevant, so I guess it could argued that it would partially negate Blink.

 

[tburdett]

In a world with Low-light vision, Darkvision, Blindsight, TremorSense, and a host of other methods of 'seeing' things, I think that your assumption about appearance being strictly visual isn't so clear.

I've often wondered which spells BlindSight renders useless. Blur, Displacement, Blink, and Mislead are just some of them I've wondered about.

For what it's worth.

Seeing is purely visual. Sensing, as in tremorsense, scent, and blindsight, is a separate effect.

I'd argue that tremorsense, scent, and blindsight allow you to sense, rather than see, an opponent.

Any spell or ability that has a purely visual effect would be useless against any of those three abilities.

This includes Displacement, Blur, and (in some cases) Mirror Image.

In the case of Mirror Image, a creature whose 'senses' did not rely on vision or hearing would be able to ignore the effect.

(edited to remove Blink error)

 

[KarinsDad]

In the case of Blink, your miss chance would be reduced to 20%.

Ok, several posters have mentioned reducing the Blink chance to 20%.

Why?

With Blink, you are either there or not there. This would remain true regardless of whether someone sees you or senses you.

Half of the time, you are not there. So, regardless of which sense is used to detect you, an opponent could swing just at the point in time you blink out and it wouldn't matter which sense he used to detect you.

The reason that just "seeing an invisible creature" with Blink is normally reduced to 20% is that See Invisible allows you to see into the ethereal plane, so you can anticipate the arrival of a Blinking character from the ethereal plane.

Blindsight does not give you the ability to see into the Ethereal plane though, so it would not give you this advantage.

 

[Xarlen]

I would think that flickering into the Etheral plane, during Blink, is like being incorperal; blindsight can't pick it up.

 

[jontherev]

Ok, several posters have mentioned reducing the Blink chance to 20%.

Why?

With Blink, you are either there or not there. This would remain true regardless of whether someone sees you or senses you.

Half of the time, you are not there. So, regardless of which sense is used to detect you, an opponent could swing just at the point in time you blink out and it wouldn't matter which sense he used to detect you.

The reason that just "seeing an invisible creature" with Blink is normally reduced to 20% is that See Invisible allows you to see into the ethereal plane, so you can anticipate the arrival of a Blinking character from the ethereal plane.

Blindsight does not give you the ability to see into the Ethereal plane though, so it would not give you this advantage.

Exactly. Thanks for saving me time.

 

[(Psi)SeveredHead]

Hasn't Blink been saged? I thought the Blind-Fight feat didn't help, and neither did Blindsight.