Book of Vile Darkness

[JeffB]

I hope no one construed MY posting as a moral issue with the material; it was solely a gaming focused discussion.

But I do wish to comment a bit on something further…

While the content of the book remains to be seen, I find the hype that either Dragon or Dungeon using a bit well…distasteful…

What I mean is the “Sealed Section” of the magazine with the cover hyping the absolute evil things one will find in said section…Shock marketing for sure… Juvenile if you ask me, especially when the product description talks about handling things “in a mature way”.

Of course this is just par for the course with the way Dragon has handled some issue covers/art and advertising since 3E’s inception.

Anyways..food for thought….regardless of the book’s contents, Dragon and/or Dungeon is handling it poorly in my view.


Ahh and I see someone beat me to it....

 

[Furn_Darkside]

You asked what I planned to accomplish here, and I told you.

That is not what I asked- that would be a silly question.

I said, and I quote (haha, I kill me)-

Originally posted by Furn_Darkside- the one and only I apologize if I have missed for what I am about to ask in a previous post, but what do you want to do about it as of right now?

A bit too wordy, but that could hardly be confused for "What do you want to do about it on Enworld forums?"

And, Furn, I thought you were being civil, but I guess I was mistaken.

I am not being civil.. because I doubted your sincerity?
You have an interesting view of civil behavior- considering all the ways I could have said that statement.

How do you know that I haven't written of this subject to Dragon and WOTC?

Err.. that was the point of my misconstrued question.

If my ability to mangle sentence structure caused the misunderstanding, then I apologize for that.

FD

 

[Wolfspider]

How do you sodomize someone of the opposite sex?

Ummm...you might want to check the definition of sodomy.

You might also find that it's illegal in your state. I think it is in mine ....

 

[Renshai]

Originally posted by Nathanael .

Regardless of the vile stuff already out (the Green Ronin books for example) the BoVD will have the D&D logo squarely on its cover. This means linking that material to the game in a very definate way.

What books from Green Ronin are vile? The Secret College of Necromancy? If you think that book is vile you apparently only want to game in a world where the villains whistle zippty do da and not perform the vile acts that a real villain would.

I personally like my villains to be *evil* to the core, and I like it to show in the game... My players have great imaginations and can figure out for themselves what sort of evil things a villainddoes, but when they actually experience it in the game they are moved to greater acts of heroism.


I think you have an unhealthy habit of over dramatazing (the comment about Green Ronin and your less than informed verbal crusade against the Book of Vile Darkness). No one, (that includes you) knows what kind of material the Book of Vile of Darkness will have in it, or the affects it will have on the gaming industry.

I think you go a little far in thinking that it is going to cause some sort of damage to the industry, especially when you are speaking about a product you have no concrete information on.

Ren

 

[barsoomcore]

How do you sodomize someone of the opposite sex?

Not to get all Monte Cook here and indulge in needless exposition, but if you have a rear end, you can be sodomized. The term in no way implies homosexuality, just, um, "point of contact."

Nipple-biting, on the other hand, is hugely queer.

 

[Henry]

I think there is a message here.

20 years ago, we were burned by the red-hot stove when it was on.

Now, the stove is cold, and has been for a while. But we still flinch when we put our hand near. I'm guilty of it myself.

The kinds of pressure that were once taking D&D books away from players left and right are no longer there - or more specifically, they no longer have teeth. I don't see any specific backlash to the Book of Vile Darkness any more than the latest R&B video. Nudity, Innuendo, violence, and worship of the mundane are rife in the images of standard culture currently - and the Book of Vile Darkness, despite the title, will be quite tame compared to ALL other influences out there. Teletubbies it ain't, but frankly I don't see the backlash. If Deities and Demigods got little or no exposure, detailing entire pagan pantheons, then I HIGHLY doubt this will even register. It's coming out at Halloween, for goodness sakes!

 

[Hakkenshi]

Yeah, seriously, didn't anyone see it GenCon?

Maybe someone's seen enough of it to calm the fears of those who think that Death awaits us all with nasty big pointy teeth...

 

[Furn_Darkside]

While the content of the book remains to be seen, I find the hype that either Dragon or Dungeon using a bit well…distasteful…

Dragon has been showing questionable behavior for sometime now- the issue on fighters with profane language on the cover.

Very odd ads of some bloody clowns, iirc. I don't recall what it was for, but I remember wonder what that had to do with d&d.

A very bloody gnome or halfling picture that had nothing to do with the article attached.

There may have been others- but I am not surprised by the sealed section marketing gimmick.

FD

 

[Nathanael]

A little OT, but Hakkenshi, I love the illustrations on your page. nicely done!

And something else I thought was funny, considering where we're at, your website has a pop up titled 'Do you know if there is Porn on your computer! LOL!

And Tiefling, as you are likely very young or old and immature, considering the replies you have given, the act of sodomy has nothing to do with gender. And all virgins are not female, as I'm sure you are a prime example of.

 

[Tiefling]

Hmm. You learn something new every day.