Bring back the exposed boobs on the Monsters!

[Sylrae]

If youre going to show nudity at all in an RPG, do it when it makes sense, not to sexualize them.

But I think that I find this just as creepy as you would find this.

I dont think either has much of a place in D&D, unless you're making a succubus temptress image or something; if they're topless it should make sense, like the topless people in the jungle just living or what have you.

But my response to a blanket ban on showing the female form uncovered is to get my back up about the same restrictions not being placed on the male form.

I'd rather we all be mature about it and use it when it makes sense, not when we're trying to hide some softcore porn; but if we're going with extreme conservativism in the book on one side, I want the same standard applied to the other.

 

[Sylrae]

There is a difference between art showing nudity when it is showing the human form and Playboy or a Playgirl magazines. Cheese/beefcake is meant to have a sexual aspect to it and as an owner of several fantasy pieces by Frazetta I am not against cheesecake. I think it has its place.

Agreed, and I think if your goal is male and female players in the game, if you're including one you'd need to also include the other, but you're likely better off including neither.

Oh yeah trying taking your top here on the beach where I live and you will be arrested and face a fine.

I don't think it is right that men can do it but woman can't and believe me there are men who I wish would cover up because no one wants to look at all that flab and beer belly sticking out. But as long as we view breast as sexual objects this is going to be an issue.

Ah. Yeah I disagree with the top bit. As for the bottom bit, I have similar feelings about some of the clothes I've seen in bars.

Male or Female, if you're that out of shape, don't "display" yourself so damn much.

I could easily name a 100 movies that have full frontal nudity on woman but not nearly as many with men in it. Showing men fully nude can get an NC 17 rating but showing a woman gets an R.

Clearly we watch different movies. I named all the movies I could think of that had full frontal nudity.

Now, partial nudity, that I see fairly often, for both genders.

 

[Kaodi]

On balance I think it would be wiser to just stick to no nudity in 5e. In fact, I can just state it: 5e should stick to no nudity.

That being said, if I were really interested in figuring out what appropriate nudity would be in a role-playing game, I would probably ask the question: was it inappropriate to include the nudity in that one scene in Heavy Rain? If the answer is yes, then there is no real support I think for including it in D&D again... If the answer is no, then that is only the beginning.

In any case, when it comes to views on nudity in general, I am somewhat in agreement with Sylrae. And not because I know him. We did not really talk that much in school, and definitely not about nudity. Where I agree is: I think if you want equivalency between male and female nudity, you are not going to find it anywhere outside of pornography. Womens' chests are sexualized, mens' are not. Mens' full frontal shows pretty much everything, womens' full frontals do not. To see all of a woman's sexual organs, you pretty much have to go looking for them. Of course, there are better and worse angles to see all of a guy.

In this regard, I actually had this strange idea that it would be interesting to take a well known movie and shoot a remake with all the same angles where no one wore any clothes whatsoever, just to compare how exposed everyone really was when they were not try to showcase the human figure intentionally. Somehow I doubt there is anyone who would fund a project like that, however.

 

[Elf Witch]

If youre going to show nudity at all in an RPG, do it when it makes sense, not to sexualize them.

But I think that I find this just as creepy as you would find this.

I dont think either has much of a place in D&D, unless you're making a succubus temptress image or something; if they're topless it should make sense, like the topless people in the jungle just living or what have you.

But my response to a blanket ban on showing the female form uncovered is to get my back up about the same restrictions not being placed on the male form.

I'd rather we all be mature about it and use it when it makes sense, not when we're trying to hide some softcore porn; but if we're going with extreme conservativism in the book on one side, I want the same standard applied to the other.

Actually we agree on this.

I want artwork that makes sense for the character.

You know realistic armor on female characters so that I really believe she is wearing it to protect her vital organs from a sword and not to seduce someone. And how about we get away from the silly poses that would hurt most to their spines as they pose to show off both their cleavage and butt at the same time.

I also would lie to see the end of these weapons that are so huge that you can't even sheath them and carry them.

 

[Rechan]

Let's set aside the issue of "It'll offend adults who might play the game" for a second.

We want to market D&D to kids. And if you put nudity in the books, it will freak parents out. Video games that are rated M (and thus not legally allowed to be sold to minors!) get huge PR stinks because they have nudity in them. D&D does not need that kind of publicity.

Having been an adolescent male, that's definitely part of my experience of the game. D&D was part of coming of age for me; it's not Playboy, thank Pelor, but it's part of what it means to grow up.

Yeah, and now adolescent boys have the internet.

I don't have an answer, but I'm all for trying to include more male nudity. I consider myself a feminist too, and my solution is: get everybody naked and have a good time. That way we're all equal.

Your decision: let's offend everyone, instead of just offending women?

 

[Aeolius]

Fine, You can have your boobs. And the MM has a centerfold.... of a night hag.

 

[foolish_mortals]

It's really simple guys. You put breasts in the book, and parents are going to freak the hell out.

I don't remember ever hearing or seeing this happen with my gaming buddies or even hearing about it through the grapevine. Just because some people can't handle anything doesn't mean you should ruin the fun for everyone else.

foolish_mortals

 

[Glade Riven]

Nudity in art has always been controversial, even back to ancient greece when they were painting up marble statues like cheap whores (yes, they did that).

There is a difference between commercial art and fine art. The reason I said "No" before is straightforward: demographics. D&D has enough trouble with it's reputation without tossing nudity back into it. The target market is not just old school gamers, but the 12-25 year olds. Things sell in that target market with the equivolent of a PG-13 rating. This isn't the 80's, so a bit a boobage pushs the content to an R rating.

Believe it or not, there are plenty of Christians that do play D&D. I learned how to play it at a Christian university. D&D's reputation is on the mend here-and-there. But throwing in topless women monsters back into the game's official artwork doesn't help, it hurts. It can get books removed from some venues.

If you disagree with the prudishness, that's fine. But Wizards putting monster boobs back in would shoot themselves in the foot with a sizable portion of their demographic.

 

[foolish_mortals]

Fine, You can have your boobs. And the MM has a centerfold.... of a night hag.

were they... naked ever?

foolish_mortals

 

[foolish_mortals]

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If you disagree with the prudishness, that's fine. But Wizards putting monster boobs back in would shoot themselves in the foot with a sizable portion of their demographic.

This can't even be close the truth of the matter. Dnd 1rst never would have succeeded if this was the case. It would failed by the merit of household censorship.

foolish_mortals