Can a Warlock Multiclass into another Pact?

[ZetaStriker]

Everyone has been commenting on the lack of choices Warlocks get due to the nature of their Pacts. I personally found their Powers to offer enough choices to deny that(I took a Star Pact Daily as a Level 1 Fey Pact, for instance), but when it comes to Paragon Paths, it's hard to refute.

So here's the question: do you guys thing that a Warlock should be able to Multiclass into another Pact? The Pact Initiate feat and Paragon Paths don't really contradict anything, although you might change the Level 16 Feytouched feature to just granting Misty Step in addition to the standard 'your cursed target is dead' effect of your initial Pact. It also allows for a lot more freedom in Warlock builds, seemingly without making them overpowered in the process.

 

[neceros]

No.

"You can't take a multiclass feat from your own class."

As far as logic is concerned, I don't think you should be able to. One pact is rough enough on the mind and body, two would be terrifying. I doubt the two entities would get along.

 

[Mal Malenkirk]

Except for at-will powers, the warlock has about as much choice as any class.

You don't have to take only powers marked for your cast, you know.

 

[Minigiant]

It's also a bit silly. You get your powers from a demon and a fey creature? How does that work?

 

[hero4hire]

You can always retrain if you don't like your Pact right?

 

[Rechan]

It's also a bit silly. You get your powers from a demon and a fey creature? How does that work?

Really simple.

You just fluff it for a different description. Let me show you something.

Warlock Daily 25: Curse of the Two Princes. Select a Target. Make attack. 4d10+Cha damage. If you take damage at all during the encounter, make another attack against your original target. If you hit, the two of you split the damage. If you are adjacent to your target, your images merge; any attack against one of you has a 50% chance of hitting the other.

This is a Fey ability. But I could easily say "By the use of my infernal powers, we are now bound together, by the will of Karthadaus, the Shackler of Souls! Dare to draw my blood and it shall reap the core of you." Or I could say "I have uttered the Foul darkspeech granted to me by the Spinner of Fate itself! Behold, our cord of destiny is so tightly wound, any rent to me shall scourge you! We are one; face me and tempt the Darkness, boy!"

The only difference between the powers, really, is that some powers have a boost if you have a certain pact. For instance, Vampiric Embrace does 2d8+Con necrotic damage and you gain 5 temp Hp. However, if you have an Infernal pact and choose this power, the Temp HP you get are 5+Int.

 

[Goobermunch]

Really simple.

You just fluff it for a different description. Let me show you something.

Warlock Daily 25: Curse of the Two Princes. Select a Target. Make attack. 4d10+Cha damage. If you take damage at all during the encounter, make another attack against your original target. If you hit, the two of you split the damage. If you are adjacent to your target, your images merge; any attack against one of you has a 50% chance of hitting the other.

This is a Fey ability. But I could easily say "By the use of my infernal powers, we are now bound together, by the will of Karthadaus, the Shackler of Souls! Dare to draw my blood and it shall reap the core of you." Or I could say "I have uttered the Foul darkspeech granted to me by the Spinner of Fate itself! Behold, our cord of destiny is so tightly wound, any rent to me shall scourge you! We are one; face me and tempt the Darkness, boy!"

The only difference between the powers, really, is that some powers have a boost if you have a certain pact. For instance, Vampiric Embrace does 2d8+Con necrotic damage and you gain 5 temp Hp. However, if you have an Infernal pact and choose this power, the Temp HP you get are 5+Int.

Exactly. In the game I playtested, my star pact warlock had powers from each pact. Some of them were chosen for synergistic benefit (Half-Elf with encounter bonuses to diplomacy, intimidate, and bluff? Sign me up), others were chosen for pure pwnage (infernal pact powers do more damage), while most were chosen for flavor . . . Hast-- I mean, ur, Dreadful Word fits so perfectly with the pact flavor, that you almost have to take it at first level.

Even when using my fey or infernal powers, I try to give them a nice star pact feel.

--G

 

[neceros]

goobermunch: Your everquest description amuses me, even if it was true! Ah, the ol' days.

 

[ZetaStriker]

Oh, I understand that the power choices aren't bad at all. The Paragon Paths are the problem. Anyway, that's not the point I was attempting to make.

Basically, rules be damned, I think it makes sense for a Walorck to multiclass into a second Pact. You say it doesn't make sense from a fluff standpoint, and I entirely disagree. For instance, for my first character(if I ever get into a game as a player), I was going to have an Eladrin Fey-Pact Warlock. Only as far as the fluff is concerned, he doesn't actually have a pact with anything. All those powers are the result of him being a powerful noble of the Fey Court. So why shouldn't he be able to make a Pact with devils or the Far Realms?