Can someone explain?

[Tsyr]

The problem is that reflex save has other uses too... avoiding things (Not just damage... falling (Ok, not a problem for a dragon in most cases, but still), certain traps, etc)

 

[Axiomatic Unicorn]

The problem is that reflex save has other uses too... avoiding things (Not just damage... falling (Ok, not a problem for a dragon in most cases, but still), certain traps, etc)

Sorry Tsyr,
It looks above like I was responding to you and I really was not.
Not that its a big deal, just didn't want the wrong impression.

Anyway, I don't see that as an issue. Cover always provides a bonus to reflex saves and I see the scales providing that function. Not a perfect analogy, because the dragon could also have real cover, but you get the idea.

I don't claim it is perfect, I just think it is way way down the list of things you have to casually accept in D&D. I am also comfortable with Dragons getting the benefit of the doubt when it comes to their effectiveness.

 

[cybernetic]

I personally have always felt Dragons would have the finesse and movement similar to that of a cat as opposed to a lizard.....

 

[Dingleberry]

Several responses indicate a perception that dragons are swift and agile. Why, then, do dragons have a mere 10 for Dexterity across the board?

 

[Axiomatic Unicorn]

Several responses indicate a perception that dragons are swift and agile. Why, then, do dragons have a mere 10 for Dexterity across the board?

That is a good point.

I don't think it matters to the base saves, after all a rogue with a 10 DEX would still get the good save progression.

But any model of how a D&D 3E dragon works should remember that it does have a 10 Dex.

 

[whatisitgoodfor]

AxoU:

Think of it as the scales being basically cover for the more vulnerable parts of the dragon.

Now this is really confusing, it sounds like you are arguing in favor of applying natural armor bonuses to Reflex Saves.

 

[LostSoul]

Maybe dragons have the same kind of "sixth sense" that Rogues develop that let them avoid certain kinds of danger.

 

[gubaru]

Maybe dragons have the same kind of "sixth sense" that Rogues develop that let them avoid certain kinds of danger.

I was just about to say this. I think of reflex saves as more than just being physically quick. It's easier to avoid something you know is coming.

 

[LostSoul]

I was just about to say this. I think of reflex saves as more than just being physically quick. It's easier to avoid something you know is coming.

Only problem with this is that Ref saves should be tied (at least in part) to Wisdom. Of course, you can rationalize it away. Reflex Saves are (like all saves) a skill that you work at developing. So maybe Dragons, knowing they make big targets, work at trying to avoid dangers.

 

[Acmite]

Maybe dragons have the same kind of "sixth sense" that Rogues develop that let them avoid certain kinds of danger.

This sounds more like Evasion than a good reflex save progression.....