"Can't finish its action..."

[Slander]

Reliable: If you miss when using a reliable power, you don’t expend the use of that power.

It's regrettable that it wasn't phrased "Reliable: You only expend the use of that power when your attack is successful". Then it wouldn't have to be a judgement call. As it is, a real RBDM could rule otherwise. But yeah, I'd rule the same way with Reliable since I believe that is the intent.

 

[Hypersmurf]

So, to your specific example, yes, you made an attack and you would suffer radiant damage. That there is no opportunity for resolution [because you are now unconscious; because the enemy shifts out of reach; etc] doesn't mean the attempt didn't happen.

So let's say the power was a burst, with Targets: Each creature in burst. Since the power was never completed, there was no burst, and thus no creatures were targets, right? So even if the paladin was standing somewhere where he would have been in the burst had the power resolved, since there was no burst, he was not a target, and thus the attack I made did not include the paladin as a target; radiant damage from the challenge applies?

-Hyp.

 

[Slander]

So let's say the power was a burst, with Targets: Each creature in burst. Since the power was never completed, there was no burst, and thus no creatures were targets, right? So even if the paladin was standing somewhere where he would have been in the burst had the power resolved, since there was no burst, he was not a target, and thus the attack I made did not include the paladin as a target; radiant damage from the challenge applies?

-Hyp.

Nope. The paladin was a target edit: of the action. That the power was unable to be resolved [because of the interrupt] doesn't change that.

 

[Hypersmurf]

Nope. The paladin was a target. That the power was unable to be resolved [because of the interrupt] doesn't change that.

The paladin is only a target if he's in the burst, and there was no burst.

-Hyp.

 

[Kordeth]

The paladin is only a target if he's in the burst, and there was no burst.

-Hyp.

I believe Slander is incorrect here. The wording of Divine Challenge is that the target must make an attack that does not include the paladin. When an action is lost by virtue of being invalidated by an interrupt, no attack is actually made, so the damage is not applied. You lose the action and the use of the power, but without an actual attack being made, there's no damage.

 

[Slander]

The paladin is only a target if he's in the burst, and there was no burst.

-Hyp.

Incorrect. In the same way you choose a target of a melee attack before making the attack, you choose the target(s) of a burst attack before making the attack. By your example, the choice of targets for the action included the paladin and satisfies the conditions of the divine mark.

 

[Hypersmurf]

Incorrect. In the same way you choose a target of a melee attack before making the attack, you choose the target(s) of a burst attack before making the attack.

When the Targets line is "All creatures in burst", you don't choose the targets at all. You choose the point of origin of the burst. The targets are selected automatically by virtue of being in the burst... and if there's no burst, there can't be any targets.

-Hyp.

 

[Slander]

I believe Slander is incorrect here. The wording of Divine Challenge is that the target must make an attack that does not include the paladin. When an action is lost by virtue of being invalidated by an interrupt, no attack is actually made, so the damage is not applied. You lose the action and the use of the power, but without an actual attack being made, there's no damage.

But now your separating the power (making a [burst] attack) from the action. I don't like that. The action being interrupted is making the attack. The only thing Interrupt does is prevent the action from being resolved.

 

[Slander]

When the Targets line is "All creatures in burst", you don't choose the targets at all. You choose the point of origin of the burst. The targets are selected automatically by virtue of being in the burst... and if there's no burst, there can't be any targets.

-Hyp.

Correct. The choice of the point of origin defines the selected targets. The choice in the example included the paladin. That choice satisfied the mark requirements.

Edit I do see what you are getting at with your last sentence. If the burst had a random AoE which may or may not have included the paladin, it would be a valid point. But the powers so far have a clearly defined AoE. In effect, choosing a point of origin is the same as selecting targets.

 

[Oompa]

Hmm i would say B..

Can't really explain why, just an gut feeling..