Knowledge Sinkhole
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Are there any WotC published, 0 ECL races that grant a charisma bonus?
+CHA races
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Zaruthustran
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You'd think the introspective, graceful elves would get a Cha bonus, but alas, a typical Elf is no more beautiful than Joe the Baker.
-z, who wishes elves got +2 Cha instead of +2 Dex.
-z, who wishes elves got +2 Cha instead of +2 Dex.
Destil
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Bonuses to Int and Cha are hard to balance. Dsepite the DMG ability score charts, these are accualy more valuable than an equal penelity to Str, for instance, because Str is quite nearly useles for a Sor/Wiz. Personaly I use these guidelines for Int/Cha bonuses:
An Int bonus is balanced against
A penelity to Con or Dex.
(Both of these hurt wizards)
A Wis bonus is balanced against
A penelity to Con, Dex or Str.
(Any of these will limit a cleric or Druid)
A Cha bonus is balanced against
A penelity to Int, Con or Dex.
(Any of these will limit a Bard or Sorc)
But, still, the're hard to balance even like this. (+2 Wis/-2 Con, for instance, could very well give you an extra second level bonus spell for a cleric... who can then use that spell for an endurance and end up 0 to 3 points ahead...)
An Int bonus is balanced against
A penelity to Con or Dex.
(Both of these hurt wizards)
A Wis bonus is balanced against
A penelity to Con, Dex or Str.
(Any of these will limit a cleric or Druid)
A Cha bonus is balanced against
A penelity to Int, Con or Dex.
(Any of these will limit a Bard or Sorc)
But, still, the're hard to balance even like this. (+2 Wis/-2 Con, for instance, could very well give you an extra second level bonus spell for a cleric... who can then use that spell for an endurance and end up 0 to 3 points ahead...)
I don't think it's that game breaking.
A +2 to Str gets you +1 to Attacks and Damages.
A +2 to Dex gets you a +1 to AC, Init, and Ref Saves.
A +2 to Con gets you a +1 to HPs, as well as a Fort save.
A +2 to Int gets you a +1 to DC, extra spell and Skill point, 1 lang.
A +2 to Wis gets you a +1 DC, Extra Spell and Will save.
A +2 to Cha gets you a +1 DC, and extra spell.
No, Str isn't very important to a wizard. Sort've like Cha isn't very important to a fighter. It's certainly Okay to deminish Mental stats for +1 to Fort and HPs (Dwarf) for a smack to Cha, or a +1 to Attack and Damage (Halforc) for a smack to Cha AND Int, but it's Not okay to get a +1 to DC, Spell, whatever, for a smack to a physical stat?
Let's not forget a mental stat for a mental stat. +2 Int/-2 Wis means you get the benefits, but then a hit to all your Wis skills, not to mention your Will save. A -2 to Int is a hit to your languages, and skillpoints. And Cha... Well, that's the dump stat.
Air Genasi I believe have a -2 Cha. However, Cansin (Chaotic Planetouched) have a +2 Cha and Int.
A +2 to Str gets you +1 to Attacks and Damages.
A +2 to Dex gets you a +1 to AC, Init, and Ref Saves.
A +2 to Con gets you a +1 to HPs, as well as a Fort save.
A +2 to Int gets you a +1 to DC, extra spell and Skill point, 1 lang.
A +2 to Wis gets you a +1 DC, Extra Spell and Will save.
A +2 to Cha gets you a +1 DC, and extra spell.
No, Str isn't very important to a wizard. Sort've like Cha isn't very important to a fighter. It's certainly Okay to deminish Mental stats for +1 to Fort and HPs (Dwarf) for a smack to Cha, or a +1 to Attack and Damage (Halforc) for a smack to Cha AND Int, but it's Not okay to get a +1 to DC, Spell, whatever, for a smack to a physical stat?
Let's not forget a mental stat for a mental stat. +2 Int/-2 Wis means you get the benefits, but then a hit to all your Wis skills, not to mention your Will save. A -2 to Int is a hit to your languages, and skillpoints. And Cha... Well, that's the dump stat.
Air Genasi I believe have a -2 Cha. However, Cansin (Chaotic Planetouched) have a +2 Cha and Int.
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green slime
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Aasimar gain +2 Wis and +2 Cha. and ECL +1
The Aasimar paladin in my campaign, may be a level lower thant he others, but he is a real butt-kicker.
Going through the RttToEE, he is the key member of the team.
Having a +5 Charisma bonus to all saves is a huge bonus. Divine Might and Lay on hands are icing on the cake.
Which book are Cansin from?
The Aasimar paladin in my campaign, may be a level lower thant he others, but he is a real butt-kicker.
Going through the RttToEE, he is the key member of the team.
Having a +5 Charisma bonus to all saves is a huge bonus. Divine Might and Lay on hands are icing on the cake.
Which book are Cansin from?
