Charles Ryan on Adventures

[JRRNeiklot]

(and make better than anyone else).

Yeah, right. I can't think of ONE product from WOTC that isn't done better by some 3rd party publisher.

FR vs Scarred Lands/Wilderlands/Midnight
Complete Warrior vs Player's Guide to Fighters and Barbarians/Path of the Sword
Waterdeep vs CSIO
ETools vs well, ETools

That covers campaign settings, splatbooks, city sourcebooks and electronic aids. I'm sure there are plenty other examples. The only one of WOTC products above that even competes is the FR campaign setting. It was actually done well - it may not be everyone's cup of tea - but it was done well.

 

[Whizbang Dustyboots]

ACtually, I doubt he's surprised, En Worlds has been nasty anti Wizards at times in many threads he starts. Its really a shame, he does a nice job of giving us intereting info from them.

I hope he never stops doing it. It's a great service.

But I don't think there's an anti-WotC attitude around here. People have positively gushed over a lot of their recent releases, especially the environment books. (The worst thing said about Stormwrack that I can recall is "it's different than what I expected.") But when they do something less than great, like make wildly inaccurate and somewhat insulting statements, why should posters not respond to that as well?

And I don't recall anyone ever shooting the messenger (Merric) and if they did, they're ninnies.

 

[Samuel Leming]

ACtually, I doubt he's surprised, En Worlds has been nasty anti Wizards at times in many threads he starts. Its really a shame, he does a nice job of giving us intereting info from them.

I'm not seeing this thread as anti-Wizards or even anti-Ryan, it's more anti-"what he said".

It just wasn't cool.

Sam

 

[TheAuldGrump]

I hope he never stops doing it. It's a great service.

But I don't think there's an anti-WotC attitude around here. People have positively gushed over a lot of their recent releases, especially the environment books. (The worst thing said about Stormwrack that I can recall is "it's different than what I expected.") But when they do something less than great, like make wildly inaccurate and somewhat insulting statements, why should posters not respond to that as well?

And I don't recall anyone ever shooting the messenger (Merric) and if they did, they're ninnies.

*Loads a new suction cup tipped Nerf dart into his overly complicated gun/bow/thingy*

Hey Merric, I got somethin' for ya...

I would [/i]never[/i] use anything lethal on Merric. I would actually like to know his opinion of this little bit of hubris.

The Auld Grump

 

[Uder]

I truly hope Paizo has jumped on the coattails of something (WLD) big here.

Fixed it for you.

 

[Crothian]

What's wrong with Wizards people thinking they do work better then anyone else? Heck, at my work I fgel I do a better job then my co workers. It's a bit arrogant of me, but confidence in one's ability is not a bad thing.

 

[DaveMage]

ACtually, I do see what he means - in comparison to everything else released, adventures make up a relatively small number of releases. Other than the DCC's and Necromancer releases, there are not many adventures showing up at the FLGS's I go to. And in any given month, there may not even be a DCC released. There are quite a few new rules supplements, settings, or new games showing up every month.

I suppose.

But some of the adventures that are coming out are huge. Mongoose did its box set, Paizo did the Shackled City, Mongoose is also going the 1-30 level Drow War adventure.

On the small module front, within the last 13 months, there have been about 15 DCCs, and about half a dozen adventures from NG.

 

[Uder]

What's wrong with Wizards people thinking they do work better then anyone else? Heck, at my work I fgel I do a better job then my co workers. It's a bit arrogant of me, but confidence in one's ability is not a bad thing.

Nothing at all wrong with believing you do quality work - and I don't think he's blowing smoke either. With the rare exception here and there, they publish a lot of fantastic sourcebooks. Usually it's after someone else lights the way though.

I dunno. It just sounds kind of sour and dismissive... especially when it comes from "the Man."

 

[Aus_Snow]

What's wrong with Wizards people thinking they do work better then anyone else?

Well, apart from the fact that they might not actually believe that (i.e., it's quite possibly spin/propaganda), and the (debatable) fact that it's just plain wrong at least some of the time, how about plain ol' daft arrogance?

confidence in one's ability is not a bad thing.

Agreed, but that's a different beast altogether.

 

[Mercule]

Oh dear.

How wrong can one person be?

Dunno. I own only one non-WotC book, and I don't use it.

I'm quite certain there are third party products out there that put WotC to shame. The vast majority are crap, though. IMO, it's better to stick with what I know is likely to be middle-high quality and rely on my ability as a GM to make the difference than to sort through all the dross to get to the gold.