But if you're an NPC, how is this different from the PC succeeding in a persuasion check against you?
But no other spell has such stipulation. Charm person doesn't say that, nor do the more blatant mind affecting spells. It is just weird, like the target was first magicked to be friendly and them magicked to be angry...
Shockingly, we're not talking about weapons and combat spells. We're talking about enchantment spells.
There is good magical effects: there is nothing inherently questionable about healing magic, protection magic, noninvasive divination (ie augury), certain transmutation like fly or expeditious retreat, benign spells like light or creation spells like create water or fabricate. They are the hammers that can be used wrongly, but with used correctly are beneficial to people. This is compared against a spell like charm, hold or detect thoughts where even even used for noble cause, the spells effect are themselves problematic. There is argument as to whether such uses can be justified, but the action itself is never benign.
There are accounts of an instance of a god who put a couple near a tree bearing appetizing fruits hanging low and yet didn't want the couple to eat them.
and I am suggesting that to a degree you are right, from sword to spell is pretty evil. sometimes we use evil to fight evil. We can all pick what hill (what we want called out) to die on (we will keep posting about). MY discussion my post is about MY HILL TO DIE ON, charm and other like effects, not everything else (although I did say 9/10th of the phb could be seen as evil)
becuse instead of talking the PC forced his magical will onto my NPC...
I assume being a 0th level spell it is the least able to hold out that anger so it always happens where the others it is up to DM/player
good list... I may have over stated the 9/10 but not by much, Maybe we should start a post on GOOD things
Hypnosis... by trained therapists who (in many countries and states) are regulated by the government and is used typically with other types of therapy as well, not alone, on consenting patients ...and which may just be a placebo affect thing anyway, or a type of meditation. It's not movie-style mind control, since nobody can actually agree what hypnosis is or does anyway.
I personally don't think that hold person or blindness/deafness are capital-e Evil spells. For starters, they are almost invariably used as combat spells, when it's kill-or-be-killed and the PCs are in battle against (hopefully) proven bad guys. Charm, suggestion, and other enchantment spells, however, have a bad habit of being used out-of-combat, though, and either as a time-saver (instead of RPing conversation while trying to persuade someone to do something they don't want to do) or for... disturbing reasons.
As I told someone else, this BS edgecase dilemma argument is not useful and I won’t engage with it.
