Cleric & Wizard collaborating on a scroll

[shilsen]

Suppose you have a wizard (with the Scribe Scroll feat) and a cleric (with Cure Light Wounds prepared) collaborate on creating a scroll of Cure Light Wounds (per DMG pg.215). The pair assign the cleric as the creator, so he pays the XP required.

Is the scroll arcane (because the wizard has the feat) or divine (because the cleric is the creator)?

I'd like a rules reference with your reply, preferably.

Thanks.

 

[The Amazing Dingo]

Rules wise, I would say that it wouldn't fly at all. From the SRD I'm quoting the section in Creating Magical Items: Scrolls.

The creator must have prepared the spell to be scribed (or must know the spell, in the case of a sorcerer or bard) and must provide any material component or focus the spell requires.

From that, I'd say that the creator of the scroll must have the spell prepared and not a friend working together.

Once done with that (and now lacking any type of Rules backing), I would say that the spell is a Divine spell since the spell's source is a Divine power. I do like the flavor however and wouldn't be against assigning a very high Spellcraft check (perhaps 30 + spell level) for it to be accessible by arcane casters. However, for a bit more flavor I might include in there that the deity might get upset if used for the wrong purpose...okay, so I wouldn't tell the PC's about that part.

 

[shilsen]

Rules wise, I would say that it wouldn't fly at all. From the SRD I'm quoting the section in Creating Magical Items: Scrolls....


From that, I'd say that the creator of the scroll must have the spell prepared and not a friend working together.

True. But, as DMG pg. 215 says:

It is possible for more than one character to cooperate in the creation of an item, with each participant providing one or more of the prerequisites. In some cases, cooperation may even be necessary, such as if one character knows some of the spells necessary to create an item and another character knows the rest.

If two or more characters cooperate to create an item, they must agree among themselves who will be considered the creator for the purpose of determinations where the creator’s level must be known. The character designated as the creator pays the XP required to make the item.

So it seems that the cleric and wizard working together can designate the cleric as the creator, in which case he pays the XP and has the spell prepared. The wizard provides access to the feat.

 

[Hypersmurf]

"(The type of scroll a character creates is also determined by his or her class.)"

So I'd say it's dependent on the class of the creator - the cleric, in this case, and thus a divine scroll.

If the wizard supplied the XP, it would be an arcane scroll of CLW (good for a Bard).

-Hyp.

 

[Hypersmurf]

From that, I'd say that the creator of the scroll must have the spell prepared and not a friend working together.

You'll find that 'creator must have the spell prepared' in the text of almost every type of item creation... but as Shilsen notes, it's previously explained that prerequisites can be supplied by another caster or item.

-Hyp.

 

[Nifft]

I would say no.

A Wiz and a Cleric could collaborate to make a Wand.

Scrolls, though, are either Arcane or Divine. A pair of Clerics could collaborate -- one with Scribe Scroll, the other with access to Domain spells the first lacked, for example. Likewise, a pair of Sorcerers could collaborate, or a Wizard and a Bard, or a Wizard and a Sorcerer.

Anyway. Just one DM's opinion.

-- N

 

[kirinke]

Scribe scroll is available to all spell-casters from what I gather from the PHB; it doesn't matter whether it's divine or arcane. If a cleric has a scribe scroll feat, he can scribe divine spells. If a wizard/sorcerer has a scribe scroll feat, he can scribe arcane spells and so forth.

 

[shilsen]

"(The type of scroll a character creates is also determined by his or her class.)"

So I'd say it's dependent on the class of the creator - the cleric, in this case, and thus a divine scroll.

If the wizard supplied the XP, it would be an arcane scroll of CLW (good for a Bard).

-Hyp.

Excellent.

 

[Patryn of Elvenshae]

Throw another agreement with Hyp on the pile, just in case it matters, Shilsen.

 

[shilsen]

Throw another agreement with Hyp on the pile, just in case it matters, Shilsen.

Sure. Every confirmation helps.