Cleric & Wizard collaborating on a scroll

[Harmon]

What we do

For a while my wiz has been making scrolls and wands for the Cleric in the party.

They spend how many every days they have to together, the cleric casts the spell(s) as necassary and the wizard puts his energy (xp) forth into getting things to work. In the end a wand or scroll has been made that is divine in power (wand of CLW (div)).

Otherwise the wizard might well be able to argue that "hay its an arcane scroll, why can't i use it," aside from the fact that its not on his spell list of spells he can cast.

Reread what I wrote so you don't make one of us look bad when you respond to thinking I mean that wiz/sorc can cast CLW. Thanks

 

[shilsen]

For a while my wiz has been making scrolls and wands for the Cleric in the party.

They spend how many every days they have to together, the cleric casts the spell(s) as necassary and the wizard puts his energy (xp) forth into getting things to work. In the end a wand or scroll has been made that is divine in power (wand of CLW (div)).

Otherwise the wizard might well be able to argue that "hay its an arcane scroll, why can't i use it," aside from the fact that its not on his spell list of spells he can cast.

Reread what I wrote so you don't make one of us look bad when you respond to thinking I mean that wiz/sorc can cast CLW. Thanks

Yes, I reread it So here's another question - how come you make the poor wizard pay the XP? Is that a house rule? By the RAW, as we've been discussing above, the cleric has to count as the creator for it to be a divine scroll, so he should be paying the XP.

 

[Hypersmurf]

In the end a wand or scroll has been made that is divine in power (wand of CLW (div)).

Wands are neither arcane nor divine. A Cleric and a Bard can both use any Wand of CLW.

Scrolls are either arcane or divine. A Cleric can use a divine Scroll of CLW, but not an arcane one. A Bard can use an arcane Scroll of CLW, but not a divine one.

Otherwise the wizard might well be able to argue that "hay its an arcane scroll, why can't i use it," aside from the fact that its not on his spell list of spells he can cast.

Well, that 'aside' is exactly the reason the wizard can't. He can't use an arcane scroll of Silence or Modify Memory either, even though a Bard can make those all by himself. They may be arcane, but they're not wizard spells, and both requirements must be satisfied before the wizard can use a scroll.

-Hyp.

 

[The Amazing Dingo]

Scrolls are either arcane or divine. A Cleric can use a divine Scroll of CLW, but not an arcane one. A Bard can use an arcane Scroll of CLW, but not a divine one.

-Hyp.

And I think this is where I disagree with the arguement: how can a Healing spell be Arcane in power? I've never argued over it before, but I don't understand why the Bard has Cure spells. I understand he has them to be as diverse and mutli-talented as possible, however I do not think it makes any logical sense in terms of In Character. Whenever arcane casters cast to recover HP or heal, it generally has to do with Necromancy - a School which (rightly or wrongly) is considered evil.

So does the Arcane CLW scroll also derive its source from Necromancy?

I definately wouldn't argue that last line seriously as I think it has no ground, but I just think its a Divine Scroll since the original source of the energy is divine in nature.

 

[Aesmael]

So does the Arcane CLW scroll also derive its source from Necromancy?

No. But it should. And so should divine cure spells.

As far as Bards having healing spells at all I have no opinion.

 

[Hypersmurf]

Whenever arcane casters cast to recover HP or heal, it generally has to do with Necromancy...

The Bard spell list disagrees emphatically.

So does the Arcane CLW scroll also derive its source from Necromancy?

No. From Conjuration [Healing]. Just like the spell says.

... but I just think its a Divine Scroll since the original source of the energy is divine in nature.

Well, apparently, the source of the energy is an arcane caster's XP. Which would make it a source arcane in nature.

-Hyp.

 

[Bad Paper]

i almost don't want to wade into this

but i might as well, since everything is tubing here in the office

1) The owner of the item-creation feat is the Creator. Maybe that's not how you do it, maybe the rules say otherwise. I don't care. This is how we do it in our three tenuously related campaigns. In your SS example, the wizard is the one touching pen to paper; if it were my house, the wizard would be the one dropping the xp, and the cleric would be paying him/her for the privilege of draining xp from him/her.

2) It is a divine spell. Therefore it is a divine scroll. The source of the magic is Pelor or St Cuthbert or Maglubiyet or whatever. That doesn't change. An arcane healing scroll is silly. I know that bards technically have that crap on their spell lists, but I have yet to meet a bard that actually bothered to waste a coveted spell slot on a friggin cure spell.

 

[Harmon]

how come you make the poor wizard pay the XP? Is that a house rule?

Guy with the Feat pays the xps <shrug>. Its a house rule I guess, the GM said I could make Scrolls/wands with the Clerics help and I jumped at the chance to make much needed stuff.

As far as the xps go (pun not intented) I don't mind though I am finding that my wizard- (one of the oldest PCs in the party) is starting to get caught by the late starting PCs. <shrug> not a big deal to me, as he's about to spend a bunch of xps with the spell Permanency.