Cleric/wizard spontaneously dropping arcane spells for cures?

[Sithobi1]

Arcane Disciple doesnt give them the domain list, it gives them the ability to learn that domains spells as though they were arcane, IIRC. Thats a pretty big distinction, because it means, once they learn Cure Serious Wounds, they can fill their 3rd level slots with it.

So many people have misconceptions about this feat. No, you cannot fill your 3rd level slots, you can only cast it once per day. Also, you need the required Wis score for it, 10+spell level. Also, you do not get any domain powers or slots.

 

[virtus]

It's a cool feat, even if it is hard to understand. And I'm all for the mixing of power between divine and arcane (mainly cause I'm a fiend for multi-classing). It seems like 3rd ed (& 3.5)gave clerics a lot wider variety of power than wizards, along with bringing some arcane power over in the form of the domain spells. I'd argue that it's only fair to give some of it back to wizards.

 

[Khristos]

I would rule 0 that a mystic theurge or true necromancer could lose arcane spells to cast cure/inflict..... these 2 PrCs blend the 2 to a small degree. I would however still draw the line when it comes to divine metamagic arcane spells due to abuse issues (see my post under cleric about Divine Innate Time Stop for the jaunty domain cleric) although right now the abuse restriction can be circumvented by the domain raiding into the arcane lists by pure clerics

 

[Sithobi1]

Divine Innate Time Stop?
Or Divine Metamagiced Persistent Time Stop?
Anyway, True Necromancer is IMO already too strong.
RAW, you can indeed use Divine Metamagic for Arcane Spells. It would probably require the Extra Turning feat for a wizard, but if you are playing a sorcerer you will probably have enough turning attempts to use pretty much any metamagic.

 

[Hypersmurf]

Divine Innate Time Stop?

Can't be right... Innate Spell isn't a Metamagic feat

RAW, you can indeed use Divine Metamagic for Arcane Spells.

No, you can't.

Complete Divine Errata
Page 80: Divine Metamagic feat
The boldface text needs to be added to the Benefit
paragraph of the feat description:
When you take this feat, choose a metamagic feat that
you have. This feat applies only to that metamagic feat.
As a free action, you can take the energy from turning
or rebuking undead and use it to apply a metamagic feat
to divine spells that you know. . . .

-Hyp.

 

[Jdvn1]

No, you can't.

Can't a Geomancer cast arcane spells as divine spells?

 

[Hypersmurf]

Can't a Geomancer cast arcane spells as divine spells?

That's debatable, but even if he can, he's then still applying Divine Metamagic to a divine spell, not an arcane spell, right?

-Hyp.

 

[Sithobi1]

Oh. I didn't check the errata first. Well, that's a load off my mind.
By the way, does anyone know a way to get level 9 spells in 2 different classes by 20th level?

 

[Hypersmurf]

Oh. I didn't check the errata first. Well, that's a load off my mind.
By the way, does anyone know a way to get level 9 spells in 2 different classes by 20th level?

Wouldn't Wizard 9 / Ur-Priest 3 / Mystic Theurge 8 do it?

-Hyp.

 

[Sithobi1]

hmmm. What happens to the ur-priest progression when you reach the MyTh level 8? it only goes up to 10. Thanks, though!